U.S. take over of Gaza

[Smit]

Give them a piece of Texas. Or western Kansas. Or rural Missouri. 😀

[ghuns]

Give them a piece of Texas. Or western Kansas. Or rural Missouri. 😀

I really don't need my annual West Kansas pheasant hunt disrupted by Hamas suicide bombers.

Let's keep an ocean between us-n-them.

Portugal, maybe?

[Smit]

I really don't need my annual West Kansas pheasant hunt disrupted by Hamas suicide bombers.

Let's keep an ocean between us-n-them.

Portugal, maybe?

Good point, I didn't think of that! 

Portugal, Spain, Kazakastan, those work without messing up our hunting and fishing.

[gcode]

If that's true, it doesn't bode well for the 2 state solution.

The Palestinians had a 2 state solution.
They want a one state solution requiring the liquidation of 9 million Jews and will never stop trying to achieve
that goal.
They were given land, allowed to form an elected government and given billions of dollars in aid and support.
The elected government spent the billions on a war machine, went to war... and lost badly.
Even with Gaza reduced to rubble, the elected government has the full support of the people.
Returning them to Gaza will just result in another war.
There were many wars like this in ancient times, but the victors put the losing side to the sword.
We don't do that anymore, now we just fight the same war over and over and over.

[RobertELee]

Give them a piece of Texas. Or western Kansas. Or rural Missouri. 😀

I heard you have a spare bedroom

[beej]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/400302

Clinton then went on to speak about the failure to achieve peace between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs going back to his time as President, saying, "I think what's happened there in the last 25 years is one of the great tragedies of the 21st century."

"When I tell young people in America who say they are super sympathetic with the Palestinians - a lot of those Palestinians have been killed and all [these young Americans] know is there are a lot more Palestinians who have been killed than Israelis," continued the former President. "And I tell them what [the late PLO leader Yasser] Arafat walked away from, and they can't believe it."

"I said, 'Oh yeah, he walked away from a Palestinian state with a capital in East Jerusalem, 96% of the West Bank, 4% of Israel to make up for the 4% that the settlers occupy that were beyond the borders in the 1967 war.' I go through all the stuff that was in the deal, and - it's not on their radar screen. They can't even imagine that happened."

"The first and most famous victim of trying to give the Palestinians a state was Prime Minister [Yitzhak] Rabin. So Rabin, he dies, and then Shimon Peres is defeated in the [1996] election [by Netanyahu] and the rest is history," continued Clinton, who then added a poignant message for Palestinian Arabs: "You walk away from these once-in-a-lifetime peace opportunities, and you can't complain 25 years later."

[beej]

A poll of what Gazans think about the war and Hamas now.

https://pcpsr.org/en/node/985

Findings indicate that about 80% of Gazans have lost a relative or that a relative has been injured in the current war. Nevertheless, two thirds of the public support the October 7 attack and nearly 80% believe it has placed the Palestinian issue at the center of global attention.

Humanitarian conditions: We start with the humanitarian and living conditions in the central and southern Gaza Strip. There has been a slight increase in the percentage of those who have lost relatives in this war to more than 60% and the results, as in the previous poll, indicate that about 80% of Gazans say that at least one of their family members has been killed or injured. The survey shows improvements in some indicators that have been monitored, such as the possibility of finding food, but the overwhelming majority still say they cannot reach those places where they can access food or water without a great difficulty or risk and that the shelters where they now live lack most of the basic needs. Thirty percent of Gazans say that the pier established by the US military on the coast of northern Gaza contributes to alleviating the suffering of the population through the delivery of humanitarian aid, but a majority says it does not. It should also be noted that there are significant complaints of discrimination on political grounds in the distribution of humanitarian aid, and that this percentage has increased to three-quarters in this survey.  Nearly two-thirds blame Israel for their suffering, and most others blame the United States. Putting the blame on Hamas in the Gaza Strip does not exceed 8%.

Support for the attack on October 7: While overall support for the October 7 Hamas offensive remains high, it has seen a four-percentage point decline compared to the previous poll, now at two-thirds. The decrease in this percentage came from the Gaza Strip, which saw a decrease of 14 percentage points. It is important to note that support for this attack, as we will see later, does not necessarily mean support for Hamas and does not mean support for any killings or atrocities committed against civilians. Support comes from another motive: findings show that more than 80% of Palestinians believe that the attack has put the Palestinian issue at the center of attention and eliminated years of neglect at the regional and international levels

Who will control Gaza after the war: Unlike the previous poll, a larger percentage of West Bankers says today, compared to three months ago, that the Gaza Strip will remain under Hamas' control, while more Gazans now believe that Hamas will not be the ruling power in the future. In a similar question, which included speculation or estimates regarding the most likely scenario for the day after the war, the results were close to the first question, with half of Gazans saying that Hamas would return to control the Gaza Strip.  We asked about the public's opinion of these scenarios. A little more than half of Gazans said they would prefer the return of Hamas, compared to about two-thirds in the West Bank. More than a quarter of Gazans said they would prefer a new Palestinian Authority with an elected president, parliament and government, an option that was not available in our previous poll.

Deployment of Arab security forces in the Gaza Strip:  In December 2023, we asked the public about its view towards the deployment in the Gaza Strip of an Arab security force, from Egypt and Jordan. At the time, we found widespread opposition of 70% to the idea even if these forces were deployed to assist the Palestinian security forces. In this poll, opposition to such a security force rises to 75%.

Satisfaction with the performance of various parties during the war: As we did in the previous two polls, we asked in the current one about public satisfaction with the role played during the war by Palestinian, Arab/regional and international actors. The results show similar levels of satisfaction to the previous two polls, except for a significant rise in satisfaction with Iran.
   The percentage of satisfaction with Hamas and Yahya Sinwar remains very high. By contrast, satisfaction with Fatah and President Abbas continues to decline. The findings also suggests that the public is unwilling to give the new prime minister, Mohammad Mustafa, a chance to improve the government's performance, perhaps because he is close to President Abbas or perhaps the public does not know much about him.
   At the regional level, the highest satisfaction rate went to Yemen, Hezbollah, Qatar, and Iran, with Jordan and Egypt far behind them and in low rates. Evident in this poll is the increase in satisfaction with Iran, by an additional 19 percentage points compared to three months ago, probably due to Iran's direct missile attack on Israel in April.  But despite this spike in satisfaction with Iran's role in the war, it is odd that the majority of Palestinians see this attack as a show or a play rather than an Iranian determination to support the Palestinians. It is useful to see the division between the West Bank and Gaza Strip on this, with a majority of Gazans, versus only a third in the West Bank, saying that the Iranian missile attack was in support of the Palestinian people rather than theatrics.
   As for international non-regional actors, Russia had the highest satisfaction rating, slightly more than a quarter, followed by the United Nations, Germany, and the United States.
   In the context of the public's perception of the international repercussions triggered by the war on Gaza, the Palestinian public is optimistic that student protests at American universities will indeed bring about a change in US policy to make it more supportive of the Palestinian side or less supportive of the Israeli side, with about 70% believing this.

[gcode]

"You walk away from these once-in-a-lifetime peace opportunities, and you can't complain 25 years later."

The Palestinians are not complaining. Their eyes are firmly focused on the prize, 9 million dead Jews.

[beej]

More from that poll:
    Two thirds think Hamas' decision to launch the October 7 attack was correct; 82% think it has revived international attention to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and that it could lead to increased recognition of Palestinian statehood
    Sixty one percent of all Gazans say a member of their family has been killed during the current war.
    63% blame Israel for the current suffering of Gazans while 22% place the blame on the US; only 8% blame Hamas
    91% think Hamas did not commit atrocities on October 7 and 90% say they did not see videos showing acts committed by Hamas against Israeli civilians, such as the killing of women and children in their homes
    71% believe that Netanyahu and Galant, will not be arrested and tried while 26% believe they will be; an identical percentage believes that Hamas leaders Haniyeh and Sinwar will not be arrested or tried
    68% support Hamas' decision, announced in early May, to accept the ceasefire proposal
    67% expect Hamas to win the war but Gazans are less optimistic with only 48%, expecting Hamas to win compared
    61% say they prefer to have Hamas in control of the Gaza Strip after the war
    76% disagree with Abbas statement at the Arab Summit in Manama that "Hamas' attack on October 7 provided Israel with more pretexts and justifications to attack the Gaza Strip;" 79% said they disagree with Abbas' statement at the same conference that "Hamas' position rejecting ending the split and accepting international legitimacy served the Israeli plan to consolidate the separation of the Gaza Strip from the West Bank"
    On PA priorities: 51% want the PA leadership to seek an immediate reconciliation and unification of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip;"  33% want it to form a national unity government and 12%, want the PA to lead a campaign to provide humanitarian services to the people
    Satisfaction with Hamas' performance during the war stands at 75%, with Yahya Sinwar's at 65%, with Fateh's 24%, with President Abbas' 10%, and new prime minister Muhammad Mustafa's 9%
    For the Arab/regional actors, the highest satisfaction rate went to Yemen, at 80%, Hezbollah (57%), Qatar (55%), Iran (49%), Jordan (25%), and Egypt (18%)
    For the international actors, satisfaction with Russia stands at 26%, with United Nations  at 12%),  Germany at 6%, and the United States at 3% 

[Smit]

I doubt the Palestinians have access to very many quality news sources right now but maybe they did before their country was flattened.

[Incogneeto]

I doubt the Palestinians have access to very many quality news sources right now but maybe they did before their country was flattened.

Jan 6th "INSURRECTION"!!!

Oct 7th Meh!! Says Smit.

[Incogneeto]

I doubt the Palestinians have access to very many quality news sources right now but maybe they did before their country was flattened.

And it's called "FAFO"

[Incogneeto]

Oh and "Fly Eagles Fly"

[Smit]

Jan 6th "INSURRECTION"!!!

Oct 7th Meh!! Says Smit.

Are you having a stupidass contest with somebody?

[Incogneeto]

Are you having a stupidass contest with somebody?

There is no contest.

You Won!!!