JD Vance takes Europe to the woodshed

[Jeff]

Speaking of crude and primitive

A million microbucks says he has no clue who David Hogg is because the left never covered him until he was voted in vice chair.

Oh... and he's been kicked out now I believe.

[Smit]

Trump's EO practically guarantees that SCOTUS will need to clarify this once and for all.
When they do, we will have an answer.

That is such horse shit. Repugs want to revisit rulings that have been settled for years and years because they finally have a Supreme court that acts like a division of the Repug party who doesn't give a shit about the centuries of precedent that has proceed them.

That is precisely what they were selected to do and they haven't disappointed so far.

Sure, great is you're a Repug. For the rest of the country not so much.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

This is the "well thought out argument and supporting facts" you're referring to? Because it's what I quoted.
Where's the argument? Where are the facts?


"I doubt that trump can even spell constitution and I'll guarantee you he doesn't give a flying fuck about it."


Schmucky proving once again that he deserves to be in the dumbsmit club.

Facts:

"Birthright citizenship in the United States is guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." This principle was confirmed by the 1898 Supreme Court case United States v. Wong Kim Ark, which clarified that children born in the U.S. to immigrant parents are citizens, regardless of their parents' immigration status."

Sorry if they confuse you. We're all fully aware of your condition and have been patient with you thus far.

[RobertELee]

Oh... and he's been kicked out now I believe.

I haven't heard that, and he's still listed (on Wikipedia at least), but it wouldn't surprise me.

[Smit]

For you 2A guys who like to stop the amendment at "shall not be infringed" I will offer this:

Which part of

all persons born

do you not understand?!?! 

[SuperHoneyBadger]

Which part of

all persons born

do you not understand?!?!

Ok, ok do c-sections count though? How granular is the definition of 'born'? And if I'm born again, do I get 2 votes?

[neurosis]

"
"And subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is a phrase from the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which essentially means that all people born in the United States are considered citizens, unless they are not fully subject to the legal authority of the U.S. government, like children of foreign diplomats stationed in the country; it's a key part of the concept of birthright citizenship.
Key points about this phrase:

    Meaning:
    It excludes individuals born in the U.S. who do not owe allegiance solely to the United States, like children of foreign diplomats.

Interpretation:
The Supreme Court has largely interpreted this phrase to mean that children born in the U.S. to foreign parents are still considered citizens, unless there are specific circumstances where they are not fully subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
Case law:
The landmark case "United States v. Wong Kim Ark" established that children born in the U.S. to Chinese parents were considered citizens under the 14th Amendment"

Unless you're a Trump supporter.

Then it's

My heart goes out to the the citizens having to tolerate the US Constitution in these trying times. Don't worry, we'll get that fixed right up for you.

[Smit]

Ok, ok do c-sections count though? How granular is the definition of 'born'? And if I'm born again, do I get 2 votes?

Yes. Fuck no. 

[neurosis]

OK, I think my troll level has hit an all time high this morning.   

I need to turn it down a little. 

[Jeff]

Facts:

Sorry if they confuse you. We're all fully aware of your condition and have been patient with you thus far.

That was NOT in the post that I quoted, but nice try dumbass.

[Jim at Gentex]

For you 2A guys who like to stop the amendment at "shall not be infringed" I will offer this:

Ummmmm...there is a period, full stop after the word 'infringed'.

Where else should we stop? 

[SuperHoneyBadger]

Yes. Fuck no.

Ok, I have another one then.

Suppose I build a man-sized artifical womb. It's body temp, its moist - very cozy. I rig up a drip feed for water and nutrition, build a waste tube and live in it for 9 months. I'm sealed in, and my 'Mother' tends to the refilling and emptying of the assorted bags and receptacles. She is also attached to the device, by an umbilical cord that provides power and water supply to warm the womb. All the while I'm consuming large amounts of DMT and LSD, and playing a looped recording that explains I am a baby now, and that I have just been born. When I come out of the womb, I am medically certified that I believe I was just born, as a citizen of the USA.

Does the device have to be built in the US to count? I'm sure we can make this work somehow.

[Smit]

I'm a little stunned you took the time to type all that stuff up. 

[Bucky Cornstarch]

That was NOT in the post that I quoted, but nice try dumbass.

They are facts relevant to the discussion, dumbass. At what point will you, as the forum's most vocal, boneheaded, and misinformed Trumptard, admit that something, hell, anything, done by your hero could possibly deserve further scrutiny?

[beej]

Interpretation:
The Supreme Court has largely interpreted this phrase to mean that children born in the U.S. to foreign parents are still considered citizens, unless there are specific circumstances where they are not fully subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
Case law:
The landmark case "United States v. Wong Kim Ark" established that children born in the U.S. to Chinese parents were considered citizens under the 14th Amendment"

The one question that the Supreme Court hasn't answered yet, is whether the right of citizenship extends to parents that are here illegally. In Wong Kim Ark, the chinese parents were legal citizens. I suppose that it's worth asking the SC to decide on that. My gut feeling is that if Scalia were still alive and on the bench he would take the plain wording of the text and say that it does extend to illegal aliens. And then he would probably repeat his oft used line, the constitution is what it is, but if you don't like it, get together with some of your neighbors and convince you representatives to write a law.