The NYT makes a stunning admission about the Democratic Party

[mowens]

"Lol. Damn Beej just start a thread talking about how horrible Democrats are"

That's just about every thread on here.

[Del.]

"Lol. Damn Beej just start a thread talking about how horrible Democrats are"

That's just about every thread on here.

And that's barely enough. 😝

[CNCAppsJames]

And that's barely not even remotely enough. 😝

Free reality fiss.

 

[Bucky Cornstarch]

I think Brokeback Bucky has a thing for rectums.

Only yours, baby. I just can't quit you.   

[beej]

This is a podcast from a NYT editorial writer and a pollster for the democrat party who has some interesting data. Talking about the current state of the voters and the Democratic Party. This is mostly "inside baseball" stuff. but it is interesting to me.

a couple of things that I found interesting:
1) Inflation was the main issue on voters minds compared to everything else and it wasn't close.
2) Democrats concentrated on preserving democracy rather than helping the economy and inflation and that meant nothing to voters
3) Democrats now think that TicToc was suppressing democrat messaging. (my thoughts:Democrats thought republicans were ridiculous for thinking that google and facebook were doing that in the last election cycle)
4) He made a glaring admission to me in the final minutes. he said, Democrats and media partners used to be the gate keepers to information what was known and what wasn't but that is no longer the case because of internet independent influencers and podcasts.
5) how to battle Trumps agenda: in control groups people responded well to scare tactics about Elon Musk. That is clearly the path forward for democrats to take.

[neurosis]

1) Inflation was the main issue on voters minds compared to everything else and it wasn't close.

This doesn't surprise me at all. It does make me wonder why the current admin thinks it's a good idea to chance a trade war right now which is almost guaranteed to cause prices to go up for nearly every consumer good.

4) He made a glaring admission to me in the final minutes. he said, Democrats and media partners used to be the gate keepers to information what was known and what wasn't but that is no longer the case because of internet independent influencers and podcasts.

I haven't listened to this yet but I plan to so I'm jumping the gun with this comment, but I have a hard time believing that unless he's talking about on specific platforms. I've never had an issue finding any information I wanted, while at the same time, I could find any opposing information I wanted, with no trouble at all. I would think that this is true only for people who rely on Twitter, Facebook, etc. for their current events/information?

[beej]

This doesn't surprise me at all. It does make me wonder why the current admin thinks it's a good idea to chance a trade war right now which is almost guaranteed to cause prices to go up for nearly every consumer good.

He was making that same point, about Trump's positions on getting rid of DEI and wokeness.

I haven't listened to this yet but I plan to so I'm jumping the gun with this comment, but I have a hard time believing that unless he's talking about on specific platforms. I've never had an issue finding any information I wanted, while at the same time, I could find any opposing information I wanted, with no trouble at all. I would think that this is true only for people who rely on Twitter, Facebook, etc. for their current events/information?

I highlighted things that stood out to me, but I recognize they stood out to me because I come from a conservative mindset. I have a feeling that if a moderate listened or a left leaning person listened, it would be other things that jump out at them.

Despite some people on the left here, that think because I am conservative, I only listen to right wing view points, it's not true. I found this podcast a lot more interesting than a lot of conservative podcasts that I listen to. I would definitely have a beer with either one of these guys.

[gcode]

He made a glaring admission to me in the final minutes. he said, Democrats and media partners used to be the gate keepers to information what was known and what wasn't but that is no longer the case because of internet independent influencers and podcasts.

Elon Musk buying Twitter was a game changer.
The Dem's had always been the information gatekeeper. The MSM, Twitter, Facebook and Google controlled the flow of information and info unfavorable to the Dem's was ruthlessly suppressed. Information that put a bad light on R's and conservatives was fast tracked or even fabricated from nothing.

I remember reading some of Musk's posts on Twitter when it became obvious that Hunter's laptop was really Hunter's laptop and not a Russian disinformation scheme.
Musk was outraged at such blatant lies and fabrications by the media and the suppression of the truth by Twitter/Facebook/Google/MSM.
He bought Twitter, fired 80% of the staff and the rest is history.

I read this morning that the President of PBS has been summoned to meet with Trump to discuss "PBS's irredeemable,
undeniable bias and partisanship". That should proven interesting.
 

[Smit]

Elon Musk buying Twitter was a game changer.
The Dem's had always been the information gatekeeper. The MSM, Twitter, Facebook and Google controlled the flow of information and info unfavorable to the Dem's was ruthlessly suppressed. Information that put a bad light on R's and conservatives was fast tracked or even fabricated from nothing.

An Oligarch buying their own misinformation platform is certainly a game changer.

Unprecedented. (Beej favorites term)

For the most part, the main reason Republican "news" was suppressed on those platforms is because it wasn't true.

While I recognize it's irritating to Republicans who both spread or want to believe misinformation, it's a positive thing, not a negative.

When Republicans "fight" for what they call freedom of speech it is defending their "right" to spread lies and misinformation. Then they feel persecuted when various platforms tell them no.

Haven't you noticed how things that are true seem to pop up everywhere?

[gcode]

For the most part, the main reason Republican "news" was suppressed on those platforms is because it wasn't true.

Hunter's laptop
Steel report
Russian disinformation
Biden was not fit to be President
Hunter the bagman
The list of Republican "lies" that turned out to be true is endless

[Smit]

3) Democrats now think that TicToc was suppressing democrat messaging. (my thoughts:Democrats thought republicans were ridiculous for thinking that google and facebook were doing that in the last election cycle)
4) He made a glaring admission to me in the final minutes. he said, Democrats and media partners used to be the gate keepers to information what was known and what wasn't but that is no longer the case because of internet independent influencers and podcasts.
5) how to battle Trumps agenda: in control groups people responded well to scare tactics about Elon Musk. That is clearly the path forward for democrats to take.

He was making that same point, about Trump's positions on getting rid of DEI and wokeness.

I highlighted things that stood out to me, but I recognize they stood out to me because I come from a conservative mindset. I have a feeling that if a moderate listened or a left leaning person listened, it would be other things that jump out at them.

Despite some people on the left here, that think because I am conservative, I only listen to right wing view points, it's not true. I found this podcast a lot more interesting than a lot of conservative podcasts that I listen to. I would definitely have a beer with either one of these guys.

I haven't watched it either but here's my take on different people interpreting the same video.

It's not watching, it's understanding what is being said.

(3) I don't know anything about TikTok but when Trump made an agreement with them to survive was treating "right" and "left" differently included in the agreement? It wouldn't be unTrumplike to do so.
(4) I don't get how people today listen to "influencers" and "podcasters" unless to be informed in a manner that pleases them. As in the post above, truth comes out while misinformation fades away, hopefully rapidly.
(5) If somebody gives an accurate description of what Musk and DOGE is doing a Trumper will likely describe that as "fear mongering." But if the truth is "fear mongering" what can be said?

[Del.]

Hunter's laptop
Steel report
Russian disinformation
Biden was not fit to be President
Hunter the bagman
The list of Republican "lies" that turned out to be true is endless

HE CANT HEAR YOU

[neurosis]

Musks own Ai bot, Grok, labeled him the biggest misinformation spreader on X  

[beej]

For the most part, the main reason Republican "news" was suppressed on those platforms is because it wasn't true.

The NYT is now reporting that it was known by several countries that the COVID leak came from the lab. that was suppressed at the time.

It was known that the Vaccine helped individuals win the battle against covid but it didn't stop the spread. That info was suppressed.

It was known that someone who had already contracted and survived covid had immunity and didn't need the vaccine. That info was suppressed.

I don't know how you don't see it. If you have one group of people suppressing misinformation, then you have one group of people deciding what is misinformation. Do you trust Trump to decide that, I'm guessing not. But's he's in charge now. The only way to let the truth come out, is to let all of the info come out and trust the public to understand. 

The problem with your preferred method is that you either don't trust the public to discern the truth or there is truth you prefer not to be public. ie, Hunter's laptop or Biden's failing health.

[beej]

Musks own Ai bot, Grok, labeled him the biggest misinformation spreader on X  

evidence that he is not suppressing information.  Let that sink in.