Kilmar Ábrego García

[Smit]

Putting on my tin foil hat -

The whole reason for sending these immigrants to a notoriously awful prison, is to deter illegal immigration in to the US. Make an example?

If they are forced to take this guy back, then that opens the door to litigate everyone sent to that prison. It would be a huge loss for Trump and that's why I believe they are ignoring the order. 

Who knows what they're thinking? If their idea is to make people not want to come here they were well on the way to doing that before sending Garcia away.

If what you propose is true I think that's probably the most benevolent scenario. It doesn't make sense they'd admit it was an administrative error if that was the case though.

It seems they're pretty much ignoring the judicial branch and doing what they want while knowing they can stretch out any legal action for years because the courts work so slowly.

[neurosis]

If what you propose is true I think that's probably the most benevolent scenario. It doesn't make sense they'd admit it was an administrative error if that was the case though.

I'm betting that if they had a do-over, they wouldn't have admitted the "administrative error".

I'm still trying to figure out why they're accusing the guy of sex trafficking with no evidence to back it up.

[CNCAppsJames]

When did our Republican friends become so authoritarian? 

When people enter our country illegally.

[Smit]

Gawd.

These legal and constitutional "scholars" want to preach about doing things according to the constitution until the President they voted for discards the bill of rights and rule of law, then it's "Bottom line, game over."

I'm betting that if they had a do-over, they wouldn't have admitted the "administrative error".

I'm still trying to figure out why they're accusing the guy of sex trafficking with no evidence to back it up.

I'm sure they wish they could take the admission of the administrative error back back. I mean, that's not a good look even to a Trumper is it?

Because it furthers their cause, whatever that is, the Fox news, Facebook, and Youtube people will believe it no evidence needed?

[neurosis]

I'm also surprised that this guy isn't getting the same coverage.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuelan-migrants-deportations-el-salvador-prison-60-minutes/

What we know about Andry Hernandez Romero
Hernandez Romero left his home country last May because he was targeted for being gay and for his political views, his attorney says. He made the long trek north through the Darien Gap, a 60-mile roadless stretch of dense forest between Colombia and Panama, to Mexico, where he eventually got an appointment to seek asylum in the United States. At a legal border crossing near San Diego, he was taken into custody while his case was processed.

[CNCAppsJames]

Trump paid them to put these people in prison. If he wanted to get him back, he could get him back. They haven't even tried and they're not going to.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[neurosis]

You day that like it's a bad thing.

In my opinion, it *is* a bad thing.

Deport whoever you want. Sticking people in prison indefinitely who have committed no crimes other than crossing the border illegally, isn't deserving of a life sentence in prison in one of the worst prisons in the world.

[Smit]

I'm also surprised that this guy isn't getting the same coverage.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/venezuelan-migrants-deportations-el-salvador-prison-60-minutes/

They're attacking people who are in the country legally. It's fucken crazy. 

[neurosis]

These legal and constitutional "scholars"

I spend a fair amount of time on a few Constitutional law and law forums (not really forums, but similar). I'm willing to admit that I don't always interpret these things correctly.  I've posted a couple of questions based on some interpretations of the law I've seen on this forum..  The best response I got was "I hope that's not where you're getting your legal advice". 

[CNCAppsJames]

Deport *just* the people that came here illegally.  No more. No less.

NOBODY here illegally should be allowed to stay. Millions of people did it the right way... so can they. I get it though... our immigration system is in dire need of overhaul. Totally get it. The fact there are large scale problems does NOT give every individual that wants to come here free reign to do so.

One of my daughter in-laws dad is married to a Kenyan. They have a child together. He can't get her a visa to come here. I KNOW it's broken... first-hand. That is still no excuse to violate a nation's sovereignty an invade it. And yes, I 100% call what happened during the Biden Administration and invasion.

Send them ALL back. If the threat of going to one of the most dangerous prisons in the world isn't deterrent enough, then they get what they have coming.

I"ll ask again... thid the subject of the topic enter the US illegally... yes or no. In this case, it really is a simple question.

[Del.]

Let's have a parade for him when he comes back.

[neurosis]

Send them ALL back. If the threat of going to one of the most dangerous prisons in the world isn't deterrent enough, then they get what they have coming.

I have a hard time believing that people are this callous. "The threat of". I mean, I can see that people are? I'm sure that I would be labeled naive for having too much empathy? 

If we were having a conversation about nothing more than deporting people who are here illegally, I would probably be very closely aligned with you and JP. I'm not quite as hard lined, but after the last administration allowed things to get so out of control, in my opinion, there needs to be a hard reset on immigration.

I'm not too far off from you guys.  It's that "the threat of" and the fact that it's not just a threat that you guys lose me.

[JParis]

It's that "the threat of" and the fact that it's not just a threat that you guys lose me.

I certainly have not used the word threat...

I am pretty cut & dry, enter illegally, you get nothing but a ticket home. What happens at home, not my purview.

[Smit]

The last paragraph here made me laugh a bit

Compounding the problem here in terms of public opinion seems to be that this administration just makes stuff up and says whatever it wants to. So for people who aren't following it extremely closely, it can sound different. Right?

For instance, on Tuesday, Stephen Miller, one of the president's top advisers, said emphatically that Abrego Garcia is a gang member. Press secretary Karoline Leavitt called him, "an MS-13 El Salvadorian illegal alien criminal who was hiding in Maryland."

With this kind of B.S., I'm sure many of Trump's supporters believe that he is a proven, dangerous criminal gang member — and by him, I mean Abrego Garcia, not Trump.

[neurosis]

Compounding the problem here in terms of public opinion seems to be that this administration just makes stuff up and says whatever it wants to. So for people who aren't following it extremely closely, it can sound different. Right?

I don't know that there is a more accurate explanation?