New Machine Day

[YoDoug]

they told us that the US was forcing them to add these safety specs. If what you are saying is true, (that they are choosing to) we might be done with Okuma.

IMO, the more locked down the machine becomes, the more critical it is to have full graphic simulation on the machine. All of our Mill-turns have the CAS system so being locked down is not that big of a deal. If the lower line machines are going to be that locked down they need to include the CAS system.

[beej]

IMO, the more locked down the machine becomes, the more critical it is to have full graphic simulation on the machine. All of our Mill-turns have the CAS system so being locked down is not that big of a deal. If the lower line machines are going to be that locked down they need to include the CAS system.

we make 1 or 2 of everything. In the type of manufacturing you are doing, I can see a lot of this not hurting you too much. in the Mold and Die world it's a work stopper.

[YoDoug]

we make 1 or 2 of everything. In the type of manufacturing you are doing, I can see a lot of this not hurting you too much. in the Mold and Die world it's a work stopper.

We are a production shop, but we are in the process of integrating close to 1000 new part numbers into our facility. Everyday at least a half dozen machines or more are getting multiple new first run programs proven out during the day. The high production happens at night.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

they told us that the US was forcing them to add these safety specs. If what you are saying is true, (that they are choosing to) we might be done with Okuma.

Whatever happened to just unscrewing the little key thingy on the door and leaving it in the switch? Hell, isn't the first thing everyone does on New Machine Day is disable all the safety interlocks?

[beej]

Whatever happened to just unscrewing the little key thingy on the door and leaving it in the switch? Hell, isn't the first thing everyone does on New Machine Day is disable all the safety interlocks?

that's what we have always done, but they have made that impossible as far as we can tell.

[CNCAppsJames]

There is a parameter that lets the coolant run with the door open.

That's never going to end badly. EVER!

[Jeff]

we make 1 or 2 of everything. In the type of manufacturing you are doing, I can see a lot of this not hurting you too much. in the Mold and Die world it's a work stopper.

The people making this decision don't have to worry about making money with the machine, only selling them.
And I see them selling a LOT less machines to job shops if they stick with this secret safety bullshit.

[CNCAppsJames]

When I do turn-keys, I NEVER EVER bypass the door interlocks. Not only does it put me and those around me at personal risk, it puts my company and the company where I am at risk. I purposefully do not know how to bypass them. There's a million (only slightly exaggerating) excuses why someone needs to bypass the interlocks and there's maybe like 3 reasons that are legitimate.

Fact of the matter when machines are running 20k RPM and 60m/min, you aren't fast to stop it, and you aren't fast enough to get out of the way WHEN a projectile (broken tool) leaves the envelope. Broken tool WILL penetrate you.

Get used to running machines with the door closed. Resistance if futile. Insurance Companies rule the world now.

[CNCAppsJames]

The people making this decision don't have to worry about making money with the machine, only selling them.
And I see them selling a LOT less machines to job shops if they stick with this secret safety bullshit.

You're going to have to convince Insurance Companies and the varying Occupational Safety agencies that you're right first.

We're rooting for you little buddy!

[beej]

When I do turn-keys, I NEVER EVER bypass the door interlocks. Not only does it put me and those around me at personal risk, it puts my company and the company where I am at risk. I purposefully do not know how to bypass them. There's a million (only slightly exaggerating) excuses why someone needs to bypass the interlocks and there's maybe like 3 reasons that are legitimate.

Fact of the matter when machines are running 20k RPM and 60m/min, you aren't fast to stop it, and you aren't fast enough to get out of the way WHEN a projectile (broken tool) leaves the envelope. Broken tool WILL penetrate you.

Get used to running machines with the door closed. Resistance if futile. Insurance Companies rule the world now.

We run the machine with the door closed. the problem is that now they are requiring the door to be closed during setup. We haven't had to use an indicator to pickup a part yet, but I honestly am not sure how we will do that. But it is still required a lot of times in our business. we use a probe on everything we can because it's faster, but you can't do that 100% of the time.

[YoDoug]

Fact of the matter when machines are running 20k RPM and 60m/min, you aren't fast to stop it, and you aren't fast enough to get out of the way WHEN a projectile (broken tool) leaves the envelope. Broken tool WILL penetrate you.

Get used to running machines with the door closed. Resistance if futile. Insurance Companies rule the world now.

I always say your life or well being are not worth this job. No one working in a machine shop is getting rich. You get life changing hurt or killed and they will just replace you with someone else and move on. If something is not safe speak up.

[YoDoug]

Whatever happened to just unscrewing the little key thingy on the door and leaving it in the switch? Hell, isn't the first thing everyone does on New Machine Day is disable all the safety interlocks?

They have gotten smart about that. If the machine doesn't see the switch change states it does not do all functions. They put the key up in a difficult to reach place. Not easy to do what you are saying anymore.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

that's what we have always done, but they have made that impossible as far as we can tell.

They have gotten smart about that. If the machine doesn't see the switch change states it does not do all functions. They put the key up in a difficult to reach place. Not easy to do what you are saying anymore.

I get it and I was (kind of) joking about disabling the safety interlocks. That being said, every new machine has become a bigger PIA to set up and program than the last because of "safety" features, whether they are mechanical or programmed into the control.

Look, I'm a professional who's been doing this shit for more than 30 years. If I want to program the machine to break endmills in half and fire them at the operator in rapid succession, I want the ability to do that, and I will deal with the consequences. I honestly don't give a shit about some inexperienced dipshit in his garage who watched Titans of CNC (or some other bullshit) who gets hurt making "billet" parts for his Harley.

And don't even get me started on the term "maker" or "maker space." It's a goddamn shop, motherfucker, so get out of my way so I can get to work.

[neurosis]

No one working in a machine shop is getting rich.

Don't ever bring that up in a discussion about "bringing manufacturing back to the US".

[YoDoug]

And don't even get me started on the term "maker" or "maker space." It's a goddamn shop, motherfucker, so get out of my way so I can get to work.

Well holy crap, something we agree on!