Did Jordan Peterson just wreck his career?

[mowens]

"Beware of people., educated beyond their intelligence"....

[mkd]

If I wanted to talk to an intellectual I'd just talk to neuro

And how does that make you feel.😜

[mkd]

You're just fucking with me, right? 

In his attempt to sound intelligent, he tried to over intellectualize some of his answers. It makes him sound like a moron when it's obvious that he was just deflecting. He did it several times. I'm sure he thought that he was debating a bunch of moron college students and I don't know if he was set up or if there are just more intelligent athiest per capita? 

If you put Beej in that room and told him to defend his faith in that same group, Beej would have done a better job.

So he lost the debate because, as high IQ intellectual, he over intellectualized his answers?
 There is a possibility that the listener was too fucking stupid (snerk😀) to comprehend or they can't pray to any other idol than the State.

[Del.]

And how does that make you feel.😜

If I lived with him I'd put a bullet in my brain. 😝

[neurosis]

So he lost the debate because, as high IQ intellectual, he over intellectualized his answers?
 There is a possibility that the listener was too fucking stupid (snerk😀) to comprehend or they can't pray to any other idol than the State.

I think I'm starting to understand why you think he's an intellectual.

[neurosis]

If I lived with him I'd put a bullet in my brain. 😝

I've never wanted you to move in with me so bad. 

[mkd]

I'm beginning to believe this is like the time you claimed, as a foregone conclusion, Trump (the godking) was a bald faced liar but couldn't produce a single shred.

[neurosis]

I'm beginning to believe this is like the time you claimed, as a foregone conclusion, Trump (the godking) was a bald faced liar but couldn't produce a single shred.

 

That's all I have for that one. 

[Smit]

Yea. We've always had to rely on or trust people who are better educated, more informed, even just more intelligent than us for information. Doctors, teachers, even your mechanic.

It feels like the difference is in the ability to detect, or even want to detect, who's selling us the snake oil?

Not all of these modern day intellectuals are bad. The difference is how they're able to reach you. It's the same for news related media these days.  I feel like the independent journalists have a lot more to lose while, at the same time, don't have the restraints that our corporate owned media do. They can tell the truth about something without having to push the agenda of who's running the corporation. I guess that can be good or bad? 

Most folks want to buy the snake oil. 

I've seen a bunch of videos by people who try to explain how RFK and other conspiracy theory people are full of shit. If they're using their platforms to try to educate people without enriching themselves then good for them.

[CNCAppsJames]

I'm more concerned with people overconfident in their under-educated opinions ...

Must education be "formal"? 

I'm only asking because AOC has a degree in economics..and she's an economics moron. 

 

[neurosis]

Must education be "formal"?

I think that would depend? There is a lot of information out there, and not all of it is accurate. Would you go to a Doctor that didn't have formal training?

I've never seen AOC in a meaningful discussion on economics. Trump doesn't sound like a genius in that respect either.

[CNCAppsJames]

I think that would depend? There is a lot of information out there, and not all of it is accurate. Would you go to a Doctor that didn't have formal training?

I've never seen AOC in a meaningful discussion on economics. Trump doesn't sound like a genius in that respect either.

1) "Accuracy" is in the eye of the interpreter. i.e. if Trump says something is pink and the media says it's salmon, Trump is branded a liar. You know it. I know it.

2) If I need "medical attention" for something, yes, I am most likely seeing a "doctor". That is my prerogative.  If someone isn't convinced western medicine is the cure they need, that is their prerogative.

3) She's got a degree in it... she's formally trained. She should be an expert no?

[Newbeeee™]

Must education be "formal"?

And THIS is the thing. Just the one example....How many people here are "not qualified" but regularly solve problems for "the Engineers"....

2010 when my FIL was in hospital because of brain bleed (their negligence killed him unfortunately), wifey was reading up on everything to do with it and correcting the Docs and specialists with things every visit - I remember her schooling them on keeping his head at 30degrees from horizontal, which helped relive pressure on the brain.
Ultimately we were the first (probably the last) family to be invited to a round-table meeting after his death with NHS directors, training directors, head of nursing, etc etc I'm sure it was 12 of them plus us 2 (police and head director of hospital safety never had the decency to turn-up) - we hit them with many points showing just how inadequate things were.
Underfunding - where there were 2x Filipino's total on night shift for the 2x elderly wards (40 people) where their call buzzers were all placed on the visitor chair out of reach because there wasn't enough staff to react to a call buzzer.
I remember one point ref FIL - emergency buzzer in the toilet - it could only be reached when sat on the can. FIL had got up, dizzy, fell backwards and hit his head on the can, and was on the floor. You can't grab the pull cord (hanging from the ceiling) when you're on the floor.
I gave them a simple solution - extended cord, running to the skirting on the floor, and eyelets screwed in the skirting going around the cubicle with the cord passing through it. Then from anywhere on the ground, you just pull the cord which activates the external emergency light.
A couple of them agreed as a suitable solution but the director kept saying 'it's passed inspection and been signed off" - to which i kept saying "but this shows the requirements aren't enough"
Yes but it's passed regulated inspection
But the requirements aren't extensive for all situations
Yes but it's passed - we've met our obligation
But the requirements aren't fit for function
But it's been signed off
Is how it went on for a while....just because a "professional" (someone who is paid) with a clipboard has signed something saying it's acceptable, doesn't mean it is....
And the week before the hospital had been awarded a "gold award for saving 1x million" so i questioned the definition of "saving" when they clearly needed to spend on night staff in the OAP ward (to which the director of Nursing actually applauded saying she has daily battles over staff numbers).

So breakfast over....all i'm trying to say is Jame's is 100% correct. Question everything if it needs it.

 

[neurosis]

3) She's got a degree in it... she's formally trained. She should be an expert no?

Maybe? Only one is making economic decisions for the Country right now. Most economist think he's making poor decisions, including one of your favorites.

If someone isn't convinced western medicine is the cure they need, that is their prerogative.

Sure. People are free to do what they want. It's when they start giving other people advice that it can become a problem. As I've pointed out on the forum in the past. I see it all the time on social media, and some of the advice I've seen given is bad advice.

1) "Accuracy" is in the eye of the interpreter. i.e. if Trump says something is pink and the media says it's salmon, Trump is branded a liar. You know it. I know it.

In same way that when he tells blatent whoppers, his supporters just ignore it.

[mowens]

Sure. People are free to do what they want. It's when they start giving other people advice that it can become a problem.

It becomes a problem when it starts making other people sick.