Cops beat cooperating undercover cop into the hospital

[Matthew Hajicek]

My best friend since childhood and my oldest son are in Law Enforcement so I suppose that makes me biased. So be it. The guys represented in the link are the guys that make the job harder for everyone in LE. They represent a tiny fraction of the professionals in LE, that is a fact.

If that is a fact, why is it that 90% of the time a cop does something sickening, his buddies cover for him?  Why is is that 90% of the time a good cop blows the whistle he's punished for it?  Good cops wouldn't let bad cops be bad cops.

I've told you about my buddy who joined up for a couple years, then quit in disgust.  Around here it's past critical mass, the bad cops won't let good cops be good cops.

[beej]

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If that is a fact, why is it that 90% of the time a cop does something sickening, his buddies cover for him?  Why is is that 90% of the time a good cop blows the whistle he's punished for it?  Good cops wouldn't let bad cops be bad cops.

I've told you about my buddy who joined up for a couple years, then quit in disgust.  Around here it's past critical mass, the bad cops won't let good cops be good cops.
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maybe your friend is lying but you just believe him, because he is your friend.

[Jim at Gentex]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=9184 time=1617655054 user_id=57]
If that is a fact, why is it that 90% of the time a cop does something sickening, his buddies cover for him?  Why is is that 90% of the time a good cop blows the whistle he's punished for it?  Good cops wouldn't let bad cops be bad cops.

I've told you about my buddy who joined up for a couple years, then quit in disgust.  Around here it's past critical mass, the bad cops won't let good cops be good cops.
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That's not the way it is everywhere, but I know you don't want to hear it.
You say 90% get away with it, but you have nothing to back that up except your own obviously biased opinions.

I guess my friend the Police Chief must be one of the good guys because he not only didn't cover for the scumbag sexual predator in his department, but he led the effort to see the guy prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[Matthew Hajicek]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=9188 time=1617660496 user_id=83]
I guess my friend the Police Chief must be one of the good guys because he not only didn't cover for the scumbag sexual predator in his department, but he led the effort to see the guy prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
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Yes, that's refreshing to hear.  Wish it were more common.

[Matthew Hajicek]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=9188 time=1617660496 user_id=83]
That's not the way it is everywhere, but I know you don't want to hear it.
You say 90% get away with it, but you have nothing to back that up except your own obviously biased opinions.
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I have case after case after case that I've read about, and that I've shared links about over the years, where cops have perjured themselves and falsified evidence to defend one another, and been proven false by hard evidence.  Even when the defendant is found guilty, those cops who lied on the stand are NEVER charged with perjury, because they're best buds with the prosecutor.  Decades of cases have had to be thrown out from certain departments after it came to light they were habitually paying for positive drug test results; in the mean time thousands of innocent people have spent years behind bars.  That simply can't happen in a department with 95% good cops.

[Matthew Hajicek]

maybe your friend is lying but you just believe him, because he is your friend.

He was a highly idealistic young man at the time.  I've known him over 20 years.  I have no reason to doubt him, but it does reveal something that your response is to accuse him of lying.

[ghuns]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=9193 time=1617664569 user_id=57]
...those cops who lied on the stand are NEVER charged with perjury, because they're best buds with the prosecutor...
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Cops that I know HATE the local prosecutor. They arrest the same people over and over, often for the same crime, because the prosecutor plea bargains every case down to a level where the bad guy gets time served and is back on the street in days or weeks.

[Jim at Gentex]

"Case after case" is not 90%.
You can cherry pick, which you always do.

Maybe it SEEMS like 90% because the media goes into a frenzy every time a cop uses deadly force, justified or not, or a cop gets caught doing something illegal.

Yes, some do try to cover for each other, and some do get away with it, but I still maintain the vast majority don't.

We just had another case here locally where a strip club got busted for prostitution and illegal gambling.
One of the owners of the club is a current PA State Trooper.
Want to know how he got caught?
Another Trooper reported the illegal activity to the PSP Internal Affairs division who launched an under cover investigation.

He is awaiting trial, but it looks like the PSP has a very strong case against him, including audio and video evidence obtained by under cover officers inside of the club who will testify to witnessing the illegal activity first hand.
Nobody covered for him.
Unless he pleads guilty he will get his day in court, but it appears as though the PSP has a slam-dunk case against him.
This guy is apparently screwed, and his law enforcement career is definitely going to be over if / when he is convicted or he pleads out.

Like James said earlier, there are horrible people in every profession, period.
I think law enforcement gets extra scrutiny because of media bias, and because of zealots who love to pile on when there is any kind of incident involving a cop.

Those zealots are always long on criticism, but short on practical solutions.
Defunding the police is not a practical solution.
Mass firing of whole police departments is not a practical solution.
Weeding these offenders out one at a time is the only practical solution, like it or not.

[Matthew Hajicek]

I agree it's most likely a minority of cops that are bad, but they tend to cluster.  As they say a few bad apples spoil the bunch.  We don't need to just weed out bad cops, we need to weed out bad departments, flush out everyone involved, and start them over fresh.  First off police unions need to go; they're notorious for preventing bad cops from being punished or fired.

If 5% of Uber drivers assaulted and robbed their clients, would you accept the placation that it's only a small minority and you have a 95% chance of arriving unmolested, or would you demand that Uber do something about it?

[Jim at Gentex]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=9209 time=1617723171 user_id=57]
I agree it's most likely a minority of cops that are bad, but they tend to cluster.  As they say a few bad apples spoil the bunch.  We don't need to just weed out bad cops, we need to weed out bad departments, flush out everyone involved, and start them over fresh.  First off police unions need to go; they're notorious for preventing bad cops from being punished or fired.

If 5% of Uber drivers assaulted and robbed their clients, would you accept the placation that it's only a small minority and you have a 95% chance of arriving unmolested, or would you demand that Uber do something about it?
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Of course you would.
But firing Uber drivers en masse would not be the solution to weeding out the bad ones.
Like it or not, the only legal and honest way to weed out bad cops is one at a time, with evidence that they broke the law.
Otherwise some would be considered guilty until proven innocent, which is the opposite of how our legal system works.

I agree that their unions are a hindrance, but they aren't going anywhere, so they will continue to be part of the problem.

[RobertELee]

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[beej]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=9194 time=1617664640 user_id=57]

maybe your friend is lying but you just believe him, because he is your friend.

He was a highly idealistic young man at the time.  I've known him over 20 years.  I have no reason to doubt him, but it does reveal something that your response is to accuse him of lying.
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I was just thinking about the fact that you said that cops tend to stick up for their co-workers.  It could just be that they are friends and trust their co-workers over someone else's word.  Which is what you did, and probably what I would do. we tend to be biased toward familiarity.

[Matthew Hajicek]

I was just thinking about the fact that you said that cops tend to stick up for their co-workers.  It could just be that they are friends and trust their co-workers over someone else's word.  Which is what you did, and probably what I would do. we tend to be biased toward familiarity.

So I fabricated evidence and lied on the stand to protect my friend?  Is that what you're saying?  'Cause that's standard practice for cops.

Yes, weed out the bad ones with evidence.  Wish evidence were enough more often.  It's becoming not as rare, but it's still not common enough.

Talk to me when Daniel Shaver's murderer is behind bars instead of receiving disability payments for his trauma.

[CNCAppsJames]

Poorly trained machinists scrap parts. Let's NOT spend money training them better so they don't scrap parts.

[Matthew Hajicek]

And careless machinists also scrap parts.  Let's falsify the inspection results to pass the parts.