The border

[neurosis]

Personally I believe if you commit a serious crime as an illegal due process should be moot.

As long as the crime has been proven, I wouldn't argue with that.

[mowens]

Personally I believe if you commit a serious crime as an illegal due process should be moot.

So, should we amend the constitution to reflect that?

[CNCAppsJames]

Simply being here illegally IS a crime. They are here, therefore a crime was committed therefore they must go. Cut and dry.

If they self deport they can get in line to come back.

I'm certain it isn't easy. Nearly every immigrant I've ever talked to about their journey here... especially those from Southeast Asia, have indicated as much, so, I sympathize. But the cold, harsh reality is we cannot possibly absorb every single individual on the planet that wants to live here.

[neurosis]

Immigration Reform Act of 1996

For those concerned about "due process" for ILLEGAL aliens.... may want to have a look at THE LAW .

Illegals are still afforded due process under the iirira unless they fall under expedited removal guidelines?

[beej]

Simply being here illegally IS a crime.

I get what you mean, but at the same time, being here illegally is a non-violent crime, and I can't see sending a 25-30 year old person back who was brought here by his parents as a young child. An awful lot, the majority, are good hard working members of society, and I think they personally add a benefit.

the main thing I want is some permanency to the secure border. If there has to be compromise with democrats to get that done, I say, get it done and put this issue in the rear view mirror.

[neurosis]

[Del.]

So, should we amend the constitution to reflect that?

I don't know but I don't think the writers ever imagined 10-20 million illegal immigrants to process.

[neurosis]

I'm guessing that there are a lot of things going on in the US and in the US government right now that the writers never imagined.

[Smit]

As long as the crime has been proven, I wouldn't argue with that.

Which kind of comes back to the due process thing, eh?

So, should we amend the constitution to reflect that?

Yes we should. But it's not going to happen. Not in the climate we have today. If people aren't hating on immigrants and gays they'd be thinking about tax cuts for the rich and we can't have that!

Illegals are still afforded due process under the iirira unless they fall under expedited removal guidelines?

I don't think you were supposed to read that part! 

[beej]

Yes we should. But it's not going to happen. Not in the climate we have today. If people aren't hating on immigrants and gays they'd be thinking about tax cuts for the rich and we can't have that!

judging from the threads in this forum, I think we do a pretty good job of talking about all of it.

[neurosis]

Which kind of comes back to the due process thing, eh?

I wasn't sure that anyone would catch on to that. 

[Smit]

judging from the threads in this forum, I think we do a pretty good job of talking about all of it.

I'm not sure about the pretty good job part. There was a thread about the "big beautiful bill". If you want to review it, it's on page 2.

For the most part it's some guy advocating getting rid of judges so the executive branch can do whatever it wants.

But at least we tried! 

[beej]

I'm not sure about the pretty good job part. There was a thread about the "big beautiful bill". If you want to review it, it's on page 2.

For the most part it's some guy advocating getting rid of judges.

But at least we tried! 

I'm old enough to remember when democrats wanted to impeach\remove clarence thomas, and brett kavanaugh. i think that was way back in the summer of 2024. it seems like there is a lot people on both sides wanting to get rid of judges.

[neurosis]

it seems like there is a lot people on both sides wanting to get rid of judges.

The right is attempting to completely neuter the judicial branch. Neither are good. One seems worse? And a lot more possible. How difficult is it to impeach an SCJ and how likely is that to happen?

This on the other hand

To quote -

" The "One Big Beautiful Bill" Act, passed by the House on May 22, 2025, contains a provision that significantly impacts the judicial branch by limiting its ability to enforce contempt of court citations against government officials who fail to comply with injunctions or temporary restraining orders.
This provision bars federal courts from using appropriated funds to enforce such contempt citations unless a bond was provided when the injunction or order was issued."

[JParis]

The right is attempting to completely neuter the judicial branch.

and many in the Judicial branch are caught up in a Judicial coup....they are usurping power from the Executive Branch.

Many have overstepped and that is why they are being overruled on appeal