Trump just broke Newsome

[mkd]

Do you look Latino at all?    There have been reports of not quite white US citizens being grabbed and detained?

Yeah I watched Cheech Marin's "Born in east LA"
 Fun movie🥰🥳

[Jeff]

There have been reports of not quite white US citizens being grabbed and detained

Do those same reports say that if they were U.S. Citizens and non-criminals they were released?
Being detained is a very vague term. Detained doesn't mean "cuffed n stuffed" as Roscoe P. Coltrain put it.
You can be at a traffic stop, and if they have probable cause they can just tell you that you're being detained... which means you can't leave until they tell you.

[neurosis]

Do those same reports say that if they were U.S. Citizens and non-criminals they were released?

There were varying situations. I don't know each individual case. My guess would be that they didn't have ID on them but I can't say that for sure.

"At least 38 citizens in Los Angeles alone had been detained by July 2025, and more cases have been documented in other regions. No U.S. citizens were deported in 2025, but several were arrested or held for periods ranging from several hours to multiple days, often without proper documentation or cause"

[neurosis]

Yeah I watched Cheech Marin's "Born in east LA"
 Fun movie🥰🥳

That movie is hilarious. I think I posted a clip of it on here in one of the immigration threads.   

[Jeff]

There were varying situations. I don't know each individual case. My guess would be that they didn't have ID on them but I can't say that for sure.

"At least 38 citizens in Los Angeles alone had been detained by July 2025, and more cases have been documented in other regions. No U.S. citizens were deported in 2025, but several were arrested or held for periods ranging from several hours to multiple days, often without proper documentation or cause"

I'm fine with that. That's just law enforcement doing their job.
Those arrested were released after the investigation finished. That's common no matter the skin color.

[neurosis]

I'm fine with that. That's just law enforcement doing their job.
Those arrested were released after the investigation finished. That's common no matter the skin color.

Law enforcement can't just come to your work and arrest you for no reason what-so ever, correct? I'm fine with it if there is reasonable suspicion, based on specific facts, that you are involved in criminal activity. By law, that's the criteria needed for a LEO to arrest someone? 

That's the problem (in my opinion) with what's going on right now. You can be a nobody standing in line at a taco truck, and get arrested and taken away for nothing.  To me, that's a problem.

Then again, I'm pasty white and never leave home without an ID, so I don't think I'll never have to worry about it?   

[gcode]

You can be a nobody standing in line at a taco truck, and get arrested and taken away for nothing. 

Illegally crossing the border or overstaying visas is a crime.
Previous administrations have chosen to ignore these violations but they are crimes none the less.
 

[neurosis]

Illegally crossing the border or overstaying visas is a crime.
Previous administrations have chosen to ignore these violations but they are crimes none the less.
 

We're talking specifically about US citizens.

[Jeff]

Law enforcement can't just come to your work and arrest you for no reason what-so ever, correct?

Do you think they're just randomly going into workplaces and just arresting anyone they see that is suspicious? They have intel, and I'd wager it's very good intel.
Remember, the lies that the left will tell, whether out of context or by omission, to continue the anti-Trump narrative knows no limits.

Unless you're a part of the ICE raid, you don't know. I don't know. The public doesn't know. But believing all the anti-ICE rhetoric is a little bit naive don't ya think?

[Incogneeto]

Do you think they're just randomly going into workplaces and just arresting anyone they see that is suspicious? They have intel, and I'd wager it's very good intel.
Remember, the lies that the left will tell, whether out of context or by omission, to continue the anti-Trump narrative knows no limits.

Unless you're a part of the ICE raid, you don't know. I don't know. The public doesn't know. But believing all the anti-ICE rhetoric is a little bit naive don't ya think?

If I saw a white Guy selling Tacos , I'd arrest him too.!!!!

[neurosis]

Do you think they're just randomly going into workplaces and just arresting anyone they see that is suspicious? They have intel, and I'd wager it's very good intel.

I'm sure they do in most cases, but what would be the excuse for arresting and detaining a US citizen for days, who hasn't broken any laws?

That's the only area of disagreement I have, at least where illegal immigrants who fall under the expedited removal process are concerned. If they (ICE) actually have the intel, then they should know who they're looking for and taking? US citizens shouldn't be ending up in detention facilities.

Anyway, we could beat this to death but .. 

[Jeff]

I'm sure they do in most cases, but what would be the excuse for arresting and detaining a US citizen for days, who hasn't broken any laws?

How do we know that this is 100% exactly what happened and there weren't any other underlying things about said arrest?

Maybe those people were belligerent and resisted? Who knows. Did they go peacefully? Who knows.
But to blindly accept the fact that they haven't broken any laws is cray cray.

I'd almost guarantee you that Trump/Holman told ICE to play everything by the books to avoid any attempt by the Dems to uproot and overturn the deportations because they are watching it thru a magnifying glass, that you can be certain of.

[neurosis]

Maybe those people were belligerent and resisted? Who knows. Did they go peacefully?

When the current administration has gone out of its way to tell people that there is no more due process, and people are being shipped to prisons in other Countries, it wouldn't be at all surprising to me if some people didn't get belligerent or resist.

I'm sure that a lot of these aren't difficult to look up. I think that perplexity can scrape and make a list of names that can be gone through.

[Jeff]

When the current administration has gone out of its way to tell people that there is no more due process

This one wasn't difficult to look up at all:

"The claim that the current administration is telling people there is no more due process is an oversimplification. While the administration has taken actions that significantly impact due process rights, particularly for immigrants, the idea that due process has been completely eliminated is inaccurate. The administration's policies, particularly regarding expedited removal and the use of the Alien Enemies Act, have been criticized for potentially undermining due process protections. However, these actions are often challenged in court, and the courts have, in some cases, affirmed the importance of due process even for non-citizens"

[mowens]

I'd almost guarantee you that Trump/Holman told ICE to play everything by the books to avoid any attempt by the Dems to uproot and overturn the deportations because they are watching it thru a magnifying glass, that you can be certain of.

I find this unlikely.