IAM votes to strike

[mowens]

There are about 8,000 employees covered by the machinists union at Spirit

Today 79% turned down the company's final contract offer that the union had recommended to their members to accept, and 85% voted to strike.

The current contract expires Friday at midnight. Spirit has told the IAM people not to come in at least Thursday and maybe Friday. They will still get their regular pay.

One of the sticking points has to do with overtime. If an employee is scheduled for Saturday and doesn't work, they would be required to use earned time off to cover it. Sundays would always be voluntary.

The last contract they negotiated for was 13 years ago. They voted that contract down but failed to authorize a strike, so the company's final offer went into effect by default (a 10 year contract). They agreed to a 3 year extension when covid came along.

[JParis]

Breaking unions really should be legal

[Jeff]

One of the sticking points has to do with overtime. If an employee is scheduled for Saturday and doesn't work, they would be required to use earned time off to cover it.

So they want to just not work without repercussion on the Saturdays they are scheduled?

[neurosis]

So they want to just not work without repercussion on the Saturdays they are scheduled?

I may be getting this wrong, but it sounds like Saturday would be an overtime day. So not part of your normal 40 hour week but still required to use PTO for the day off?
 

[mkd]

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/union2.pdf

Am I reading it right, that ~10% of US workers are represented? I thought I heard it was closer to 4%.
As much as your average union are thugs bordering on criminal, I do understand there has historically been a need to be a mechanism for pushing back on the billionaire BBQ where new ways of fucking hourly workers is colluded on.

[mowens]

So they want to just not work without repercussion on the Saturdays they are scheduled?

Saturday's are overtime. So they would already have their 40 hours in and still have to use ETO. I've never heard of anyone doing that.

[mowens]

I may be getting this wrong, but it sounds like Saturday would be an overtime day. So not part of your normal 40 hour week but still required to use PTO for the day off?
 

Correct.

I don't know if that's the main sticking point or not. Not my union.

I've been through 2 strikes at this place already.

[RobertELee]

Saturday's are overtime. So they would already have their 40 hours in and still have to use ETO. I've never heard of anyone doing that.

But if they are scheduled (either mandatory or voluntary), you're on the schedule. I've been written up for forgetting about a Sunday I voluntarily scheduled for(had over 60 hours in already). Sounds like a bunch of crybabies to me.

[CADCAM396]

MAYBE
but I only work overtime I chose any more, they still try that mandatory crap with me. I know exactly where the door is and am not afraid to use it. many years ago they did mandatory overtime after a year of 7 12 hour days I told em go pound sand.
but but we are trying to hire. ya at sub pay.
but but we cant find any skilled workers. start by treating the ones you have better.
the list goes on how companies create there own problems and kick em on down the line to the workers.

ok rant off
every one try and have a better day than meh.

[mowens]

I don't know if this is just mandatory overtime or voluntary  also.

I understand repercussions for missing scheduled overtime.

I would have a problem with using ETO for a contractual day of rest.

[mowens]

https://amp.kansas.com/news/business/aviation/article276627636.html

[neurosis]

I would have a problem with using ETO for a contractual day of rest.

I would too.  It's an 'extra' day of work.

I'm at that age where if I was handed mandatory overtime I would find another place to work. I don't mind doing it voluntarily, but I don't do that mandated b/s. My free time is too important to me now.  I've already worked most of my life away. I'd like to enjoy some of it while I still can and while I still have some quality of life.

[CNCAppsJames]

M-F (or M-Th. if you work 4-10's) is mandatory. The rest of the week is MY TIME and I spend it how I please or how my wife says I can spend it

 

Most companies absolutely create their own problems and then refuse to own them. Sadly there are employees that are worse than children, combine those two and you have a pretty spectacular shit show. 

 

[Tim Johnson]

Saturday's are overtime. So they would already have their 40 hours in and still have to use ETO. I've never heard of anyone doing that.

We work Saturdays but no one is required to come in if you have 40 hours and we're not union. About half do come in.

[MIL-TFP-41]

If they require one to use ETO to cover overtime, then the ETO should be paid as overtime. I'm guessing that is not the case.