Covid 19

Matthew Hajicek · December 19, 2020, 10:39 PM

Quote from: John316 post_id=746 time=1608441729 user_id=56You didn't ask me a question.

You quoted the question. Then you quoted my repetition of the question.

Maybe you need new glasses?

John316 · December 20, 2020, 10:10 AM

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=754 time=1608446345 user_id=57]

Quote from: John316 post_id=746 time=1608441729 user_id=56You didn't ask me a question.

You quoted the question. Then you quoted my repetition of the question.

Maybe you need new glasses?
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So you think reverting to a personal attack is going to change your failed analogy?
I quoted your entire statement and commented on your analogy without deleting the rest.
Your question was directed at somebody else and you mistakenly thought I was the one you had asked the question to.
I won't return the personal attack about needing glasses, I'll let the conversation speak for itself.

Incogneeto · December 20, 2020, 11:19 AM

IBTL !!!

neurosis · December 20, 2020, 12:17 PM

Quote from: Incogneeto post_id=763 time=1608491990 user_id=72IBTL !!!

Matthew Hajicek · December 20, 2020, 01:42 PM

Quote from: John316 post_id=760 time=1608487859 user_id=56Blah blah blah

You chose to enter the discussion. My analogy was valid and on point, and the question was directed at anyone choosing to enter the discussion. Rather than providing anything to back up an opposing viewpoint you simply chose to troll.

John316 · December 20, 2020, 01:59 PM

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=771 time=1608500524 user_id=57]

Quote from: John316 post_id=760 time=1608487859 user_id=56Blah blah blah

You chose to enter the discussion. My analogy was valid and on point, and the question was directed at anyone choosing to enter the discussion. Rather than providing anything to back up an opposing viewpoint you simply chose to troll.
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Well since you don't make the rules and I chose to address only one specific part of your post I will limit my response to that and you can continue your discussion of other issues with those who you were previously engaged.
My position stands that whether you're shooting blindly in the air or shooting at targets in the air you are still shooting in the air and your analogy didn't improve by adding the flying targets.

Matthew Hajicek · December 20, 2020, 02:25 PM

Quote from: John316 post_id=772 time=1608501559 user_id=56My position stands that whether you're shooting blindly in the air or shooting at targets in the air you are still shooting in the air...

On this much we agree. If someone is running a business that recklessly endangers people, it is well within the government's power and responsibility to regulate, restrict, or shut down as needed to protect the public.

I added the flying targets to make it a valid business concept parallel to that of running a sit-down restaurant during a plague. If the government can shut one down, it should shut the other down.

Matthew Hajicek · December 20, 2020, 02:27 PM

To add, there ARE such businesses, but due to responsibility and government regulation, they operate way out in the desert where they aren't endangering anyone.

John316 · December 20, 2020, 03:46 PM

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=773 time=1608503152 user_id=57]

Quote from: John316 post_id=772 time=1608501559 user_id=56My position stands that whether you're shooting blindly in the air or shooting at targets in the air you are still shooting in the air...

On this much we agree. If someone is running a business that recklessly endangers people, it is well within the government's power and responsibility to regulate, restrict, or shut down as needed to protect the public.

I added the flying targets to make it a valid business concept parallel to that of running a sit-down restaurant during a plague. If the government can shut one down, it should shut the other down.
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If you mean treating all businesses equally instead of indiscriminately closing some down while leaving others open I agree. In the example of shooting range vs restaurant the differences are pretty big.

John316 · December 20, 2020, 03:46 PM

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=774 time=1608503230 user_id=57]
To add, there ARE such businesses, but due to responsibility and government regulation, they operate way out in the desert where they aren't endangering anyone.
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You're obviously talking about the sit down restaurants here.

Incogneeto · December 20, 2020, 04:14 PM

Quote from: Jeff post_id=422 time=1608217871 user_id=103
Quote from: gcode post_id=160 time=1607954945 user_id=60
QuoteCovid19 is turning out to be more panic than pandemic

Gee, ya don't say?

I remember saying this very thing at the beginning, and having idiots call me every name in the book for it.

"Looser" !!!!

and that name is Not in the Book.
So you can't call me and Idiot.

Jeff · December 21, 2020, 04:27 AM

Quote from: Incogneeto post_id=780 time=1608509669 user_id=72So you can't call me and Idiot.

Umm.

Jim at Gentex · December 21, 2020, 06:30 AM

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=604 time=1608332932 user_id=57]
[quote="Jim at gentex" post_id=585 time=1608320816 user_id=83]
Apples to oranges.
Governors arbitrarily shutting down businesses are hurting the economy and costing people their jobs.

Your silly gun shooting analogy doesn't cover that.
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Ok, how about if I had a business operating a shooting range where you pay me to shoot at drone targets flying overhead. Would it be a stupid government overreach to shut me down and hurt my profits?
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Yeah, cuz THAT makes sense... :roll:

My point is that I believe the shutdowns are doing more harm than good at this point.
We are seeing more and more businesses telling the Governor to fuck off and leave them alone.
Nobody on this forum knows what those businesses are going through unless you are in their shoes, so we can speculate all we want.

Dan_AKA_ROY23 · December 21, 2020, 06:33 AM

New coronavirus (COVID) strain detected in the U.K. London in full tier 4 lockdown. Most European nations blocked flights in and out of U.K. Markets set for a ROUGH opening (even as they are positive on the new stimulus bill).

I was gonna post this last night but was too bummed.

rdshear · December 21, 2020, 06:39 AM

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=773 time=1608503152 user_id=57]

Quote from: John316 post_id=772 time=1608501559 user_id=56My position stands that whether you're shooting blindly in the air or shooting at targets in the air you are still shooting in the air...

On this much we agree. If someone is running a business that recklessly endangers people, it is well within the government's power and responsibility to regulate, restrict, or shut down as needed to protect the public.

I added the flying targets to make it a valid business concept parallel to that of running a sit-down restaurant during a plague. If the government can shut one down, it should shut the other down.
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The difference is that the people that would be effected by the restaurant being open would be willing participants. If I choose to put myself at risk and those around me do as well. And the employees of the restaurant are also OK with it then why does the government have any say. No one is required to eat at a restaurant, but should be able to choose to do so if they want and the restaurant is open.

In your shooting in the sky scenario, the people effected (The innocents on the ground) have no say in their participation. Instead they would be exposed to a possible danger without their willing agreement to participate.