Covid 19

[Jeff]

Anti-vaccine conspiracy is stupid and dangerous

Who is anti vaccine?
What is a conspiracy about what i posted?
Just collating of facts.

However, the mass rolling out of vaccines with MINIMAL testing and minimal known benefit IS dangerous IMHO.
Afterall, Pfizer said 3 weeks between jab 1 and 2.
UK gov said nope, it can be 3 months.
Oh, and actually it will probably be okay to mix and match...so Pfizer 1st jab and Oxford second.
Or Moderna jab.
Or Oxford 1st and Moderna 2nd.
All with no control.
You're just being contacted and asked to come in to be jabbed.
No record of what you've had or batch number being recorded either.
And just because you've been jabbed, it doesn't stop you from catching bugnasty. Or passing it on.

Sorry, what did you say was stupid and dangerous again?

You'll get a response as soon as he figures out a way to deflect.

I won't be getting it, fuck that.
And to CrylerDumbsmit.... just because someone won't get this vaccine doesn't make them anti-vax.

[ghuns]

Anti-vaccine conspiracy is stupid and dangerous

I agree. When it comes to most vaccines.

But this is NOT a flu shot. This vaccine is GMO being championed by people who tell us we shouldn't eat fuckin GMO tomatoes.

We have ZERO idea of the long term effects of it. As to short term effects, there are plenty of reports of elderly patients dying soon after receiving it, of pregnant women suffer late term miscarriages, of otherwise healthy people becoming very ill, especially after the second dose.

Maybe all that is very rare. Maybe it is perfectly safe. But unless your risk of dying from the 'Rona is high, I'd think long and hard about takin those shots.

Something to watch, Israel has a hard lockdown, a ban on international travel, has already vaccinated 90% of their over 70 population, 60% of those have had both doses, and their cases and deaths continue to rise. If the vaccine is as effective as promised, they should have been going the other way by now.

Another slightly disconcerting development, the CDS VAERS(Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) is suddenly not working so good. Finding current data about adverse reactions is impossible. Here's the data from last Sunday...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EssDLT8XMAQLFtw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096">

IDK the number of vaccines administered at that point, but 149 deaths, 170 life threatening events, and 66 permanent disabilities ain't nothin. What will those numbers be when 100 million get their shots?

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

Johnson & Johnson shares down -4% pre-market. (I bought shares last week)

66% effective. 85% effective, though, against serious illness and showing 100% prevention of death.

The anti-vaxers might consider the J&J vaccine. It is not mRNA technology, but uses a weakened cold virus. More like a flu shot.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/health/johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-results/index.html">https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/health/j ... index.html">https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/health/johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-results/index.html (our favorite news outlets... rofl)

...only requires refrigeration not freezing and can last 3 months at refrigeration temps, single dose.

[Smit]

Johnson & Johnson shares down -4% pre-market. (I bought shares last week)

66% effective. 85% effective, though, against serious illness and showing 100% prevention of death.

The anti-vaxers might consider the J&J vaccine. It is not mRNA technology, but uses a weakened cold virus. More like a flu shot.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/health/johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-results/index.html">https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/health/j ... index.html">https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/health/johnson-coronavirus-vaccine-results/index.html (our favorite news outlets... rofl)

...only requires refrigeration not freezing and can last 3 months at refrigeration temps, single dose.

Just read an article saying the Johnson and Johnson vaccine isn't effective against some of the variants.

There's still so much not known...

[RobertELee]

We have ZERO idea of the long term effects of it. As to short term effects, there are plenty of reports of elderly patients dying soon after receiving it, of pregnant women suffer late term miscarriages, of otherwise healthy people becoming very ill, especially after the second dose.

I was very skeptical at the beginning as well. However having a wife that works alongside some of the worlds top medical researchers and immunologists at Mayo Clinic she has personally talked to many of them about the vaccine. One of them was even recruited by the government to create a vaccine(can't say much more however :zip:). Most were all very skeptical the vaccine was going to work(mainly because very few drugs tested actually work the first time) and at the rate that it does. They all say it's literally a miracle it's working. And ALL of them are voluntarily taking it.

One thing I have to correct from a past post I made about the vaccine is it's literally a brand new drug. That is incorrect. The basis of the drug has been around for a few decades and been tested in many forms in cancer research. It is a fairly benign drug that is actually somewhat safe (unlike the live virus drugs used in most other vaccines). It's even been tested on pregnant women with little/no issues.

And when you say "otherwise healthy people becoming very ill, especially after the second dose."

That is literally the bodies immune reaction. The greater your effects are the greater your immune system is in fighting most viruses. Just remember, it isn't a live virus so you aren't contagious.

While I'm not clamoring to get the vaccine, once it becomes available to me I likely will get it just to help protect the vulnerable.

[ghuns]

...It is a fairly benign drug that is actually somewhat safe (unlike the live virus drugs used in most other vaccines). It's even been tested on pregnant women with little/no issues...

Maybe some other mRNA vaccines have been tested on pregnant women, but both the Moderna and Pfizer 'Rona vaccine trial specifically excluded them.

In England, pregnant women and those breastfeeding are not being given the vaccine. Women who may become pregnant are being advised to NOT do so for at least 2 months after their second dose of the vaccine.

There are already several cases in the US of pregnant women getting the vaccine and having late term miscarriages. Such miscarriages are very rare occurrences. Maybe the vaccine had nothing to do with it. Maybe it did.

[TylerBeer]

Anti-vaccine conspiracy is stupid and dangerous

Who is anti vaccine?
What is a conspiracy about what i posted?
Just collating of facts.

However, the mass rolling out of vaccines with MINIMAL testing and minimal known benefit IS dangerous IMHO.
Afterall, Pfizer said 3 weeks between jab 1 and 2.
UK gov said nope, it can be 3 months.
Oh, and actually it will probably be okay to mix and match...so Pfizer 1st jab and Oxford second.
Or Moderna jab.
Or Oxford 1st and Moderna 2nd.
All with no control.
You're just being contacted and asked to come in to be jabbed.
No record of what you've had or batch number being recorded either.
And just because you've been jabbed, it doesn't stop you from catching bugnasty. Or passing it on.

Sorry, what did you say was stupid and dangerous again?

most of what you post apparently

[TylerBeer]

Anti-vaccine conspiracy is stupid and dangerous

I agree. When it comes to most vaccines.

But this is NOT a flu shot. This vaccine is GMO being championed by people who tell us we shouldn't eat fuckin GMO tomatoes.

We have ZERO idea of the long term effects of it. As to short term effects, there are plenty of reports of elderly patients dying soon after receiving it, of pregnant women suffer late term miscarriages, of otherwise healthy people becoming very ill, especially after the second dose.

Maybe all that is very rare. Maybe it is perfectly safe. But unless your risk of dying from the 'Rona is high, I'd think long and hard about takin those shots.

Something to watch, Israel has a hard lockdown, a ban on international travel, has already vaccinated 90% of their over 70 population, 60% of those have had both doses, and their cases and deaths continue to rise. If the vaccine is as effective as promised, they should have been going the other way by now.

Another slightly disconcerting development, the CDS VAERS(Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) is suddenly not working so good. Finding current data about adverse reactions is impossible. Here's the data from last Sunday...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EssDLT8XMAQLFtw?format=jpg&name=4096x4096">

IDK the number of vaccines administered at that point, but 149 deaths, 170 life threatening events, and 66 permanent disabilities ain't nothin. What will those numbers be when 100 million get their shots?

you're a guy googling to find the answer you want. I'll trust the professionals

[ghuns]

...I'll trust the professionals

Given the track record of the "professionals" over the past year, I trust nobody anymore.

[Shazam/TPP]

IDK the number of vaccines administered at that point, but 149 deaths, 170 life threatening events, and 66 permanent disabilities ain't nothin. What will those numbers be when 100 million get their shots?

if you base it on P(arts)P(er)M(illion) those numbers are actually worse than the Chinese virus, go Fauci  

[Jim at Gentex]

Given the track record of the "professionals" over the past year, I trust nobody anymore.

Yep.
Especially when the 'science' is manipulated for political purposes.

[ghuns]

...you're a guy googling to find the answer you want. I'll trust the professionals

I am in now way an anti vaxxer. I am not even against this vaccine, if you are a person at high risk of death from the 'Rona. But if you're not, you should consider the risk. As this vaccine was developed in a hurry with minimal clinical trials, much of that risk is unknown.

And the new numbers are out from VAERS...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Es6f2x_XMAASeE7?format=jpg&name=large">

Those are NOT great numbers. You shouldn't trust any "professional" who tells you they are. Far more adverse events than other common vaccines out there.

[TylerBeer]

Who is anti vaccine?
What is a conspiracy about what i posted?
Just collating of facts.

However, the mass rolling out of vaccines with MINIMAL testing and minimal known benefit IS dangerous IMHO.
Afterall, Pfizer said 3 weeks between jab 1 and 2.
UK gov said nope, it can be 3 months.
Oh, and actually it will probably be okay to mix and match...so Pfizer 1st jab and Oxford second.
Or Moderna jab.
Or Oxford 1st and Moderna 2nd.
All with no control.
You're just being contacted and asked to come in to be jabbed.
No record of what you've had or batch number being recorded either.
And just because you've been jabbed, it doesn't stop you from catching bugnasty. Or passing it on.

Sorry, what did you say was stupid and dangerous again?

most of what you post apparently

I'll take that as sarcasm.
Because as a process engineer, you are way too smart to not understand what I wrote.

Systems engineer. process engineers can be pretttty dumb.

[TylerBeer]

...I'll trust the professionals

Given the track record of the "professionals" over the past year, I trust nobody anymore.

Yet planes keep flying, dentists keep working...

[RobertELee]

Systems engineer. engineers can be pretttty dumb.

Fissed