War in Venezuela

[TylerBeer]

Jeff, what's Trump saying here buddy

https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986452555719668129

[Bucky Cornstarch]

^ it's gonna be sweet!!!

[Jeff]

Jeff, what's Trump saying here buddy

https://x.com/BulwarkOnline/status/1986452555719668129

He's telling Nigeria to FAFO.
This somehow redeems you and proves you right?
In what world? He said that over a week AFTER you said countries were getting bombed.

Nice try though.

[pmartin]

I'm still waiting for @pmartin to cite the poll "... 22% of Trump voters would still vote for him if he were found to be a pedophile...".

First he denied he "said" it, so I quoted his assertion a second time,  then I corrected my statement and said you typed it... and finally crickets. Typical of the left. Make an outrageous claim, then never back it up.

So, he either lied and made it up, or he saw a meme or blog, or parrotted someone else, fell for the fake propaganda and decided it was truth before investigating the facts.

Either way, typical of leftists.

Okay, here is my reply,

Other members posted my answer almost immediately after your ass hat remarks and I felt it was needless to post redundantly. I will not bother to argue any more about it because you do not care what I write and cannot be persuaded to have any opinion that you have not already reached on your own. By the way, call me a liar to my face and we might get into it, but here on the Forum you may call me any names that you want. I don't care because I consider your opinions to be irrelevant.

[jstell]

I'm pretty sure if we looked at ALL of the global political problems we as a nation face, the lion's share of them could be traced back to that .gov agency we call the CIA or it's predecessor OSS(?).

The CIA needs to be abolished...

I'll stop before the suggestions for violence.

A decade or more ago, I stumbled upon the recently declassified (and still redacted) full report of the CIA operation that engineered the overthrow of the parliamentary elected prime minister Mohammad Mosaddegh because he nationalized the oil industry.  He figured Iran should keep 50% of the proceeds of their own oil instead of the 10% that BP had been paying out.  BP whined to MI6 who decided they didn't have enough reach to pull it off and enlisted the assistance of the CIA.  They ran the whole thing through the embassy in Ankara (Turkey) with hot lines to both agencies.  One of the principals was Kermit "Kim" Roosevelt, nephew of FDR.

So "we" reinstated the Shah and everything's been flowers and honey ever since.  Oh, wait, there was that 'they hate us" revolution in 1979, and we're all like:  Why do they hate us?  What did we ever do?

[Newbeeee™]

"Colour revolution" sounds so sweet and peaceful....
And "special relationship"....

[jstell]

I had the report as a saved tab for a while, never did get all the way thru it.  It was like a hundred fifty pages of pretty dense and hard to follow notes, trying to piece together who was doing what where with many names being the most of what was redacted.  I suppose to protect the living.   And it was just scanned actual paper pages of the report.   I've tried to hunt it down on the interwebs a couple times since that old computer died, never have been able to find it again.

[CNCAppsJames]

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So "we" reinstated the Shah and everything's been flowers and honey ever since.  Oh, wait, there was that 'they hate us" revolution in 1979, and we're all like:  Why do they hate us?  What did we ever do?

ANYBODY asking the question "why do they hate us" is definitely not a student of history.

I've never blamed them for hating us. We deserve it. 

Take our citizens that are in your country hostage... I've got no problem turning your entire country into a glass ashtray. No problem whatsoever. Somebody doesn't want our people in their country, fine. Totally cool with that. I have no problem with a sovereign country exercising it's right to expel foreigners. No problem whatsoever.

 

[CNCAppsJames]

I had the report as a saved tab for a while, never did get all the way thru it.  It was like a hundred fifty pages of pretty dense and hard to follow notes, ...

I spend a lot of time reading stuff from the National Archives that is precisely that; dense, dry, redatacted, scans of faxes of scans of faxes. It is ROUGH sometimes. But I find it interesting. I'm convinced the notes are usually written by doctors. #ChangeMyMind

 

[jstell]

I spend a lot of time reading stuff from the National Archives that is precisely that; dense, dry, redatacted, scans of faxes of scans of faxes. It is ROUGH sometimes. But I find it interesting. I'm convinced the notes are usually written by doctors. #ChangeMyMind

This was at least mostly typed, sometimes a hand-written note or scribbles in the margins.

[CNCAppsJames]

"Colour revolution" ...

I'm convinced that was pretty much the 2nd to last straw for Putin.

I could be convinced otherwise, but someone would have to show me an alternate money trail to the NGO's.

Follow the money is my go to strategy for getting to the bottom of things. It's not always easy, but the dig is fun sometimes.

[neurosis]

I've never blamed them for hating us. We deserve it. 

That's more than most people are willing to acknowledge.

[CNCAppsJames]

That's more than most people are willing to acknowledge.

Most Americans think we are pure as the driven snow. As truth would have it, while we do have a good side, we also have a side the destroys things we have no business getting involved in... eeeeeven if we were "the world's police", we're still wading into waters unknown and misunderstood to our historians and politicians.

Had we even paid two seconds of attention to Afghanistan, we would have defeated the Taliban (as we did almost right away), then bring them to the table and set humanitarian expectations. The majority of Afghanistan is tribal territory. Dudes up in the hindu kush wouldn't give a squirt of piss to Kabul and what they think. Yet, we imposed our will, our form of governance, our puppets, and our ideals on them. At that moment, we lost the war. All the Taliban had to do was bide their time until we got tired. Pure hubris.

Had we even paid two seconds of attention to Iraq and what we actually did know...  we would have defeated Saddam's Republican Guard and loyalists (as we did quickly), then brought the Baath Party and other country leaders to the table, set humanitarian expectations instead of propping up puppets and people that have no business running a nation.

Bottom line we need to stop imposing our will on other sovereign nations.

[Newbeeee™]

Follow the money is my go to strategy for getting to the bottom of things. It's not always easy, but the dig is fun sometimes.

I honesty think the money trail is a big side benefit from the directional plan....ultimately the plan is the important thing and the money is secondary - afterall, all countries with their own central bank, can print as much money as they want. If they want.
Or if you're Italy, you just print yourself more euros and keep it quiet from the rest of the EU
But the money benefit is for the worker-soldiers who push all this through - big salaries, big pensions, big share options, big donations, big gifts, (and that's something that is worth looking at - "donation" and gift" from a tax-free point of view). So the politicians, news anchors, etc.
Big plan = Colour revolutions (modern day crusades) - secondary to make a crap ton of money but it's effectively stealing the countries resources - whether that is historically gold and copper, then oil and gas and latterly now copper again with other rare-earth for ev's etc - but the bonus of course to this is you also control the land and the resource of people on it aka cheap labour.
Home plan = example pHarma = getting people unhealthy and hooked and relied upon their drugs. So the money is big, but the unhealthy population is the goal.
Another example Media = collectively programming everyone's head with whatever the new big thing is today etc.
/ramble off

 

[CNCAppsJames]

Every article I've read so far (Reuters, AP, BBC, etc...) leads me to believe 2 things about what's going on in Venezuela;
1) Not a single one of us (myself included) knows anything about what is going on in Venezuela's Government, military, or it's leadership. 
2) Not a single person that has penned an article knows any more about it than any of us do.

It's nothing more than rage bait. 

#ChangeMyMind