ICE agent fatally shoots woman

[ghuns]

You're all smart guys that know cars. Given his distance to the car (basically touching it or an arms length) approximately how fast do you think it was moving by the time it "hit him"?

So we've moved from, she didn't hit him to...

Well... Yeah, she hit him. But she wasn't going that fast.

I guess that's progress.

[mowens]

I never said she didn't hit him. I said she was not intentionally trying run him over, making the shooting unjustified.

[beej]

In the NYT video they point out that his feet slipped on the icy street, he lost his footing on the slippery road as she started driving toward him, inhibiting his ability to get out of the way, she hit him in the rib cage, because he was leaning forward as feet slipped. roughly the 4:00 mark

btw that's not my analysis, that is the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/15/video/ice-shooting-renee-good-minneapolis-videos.html

[mowens]

[ghuns]

I never said she didn't hit him. I said she was not intentionally trying run him over, making the shooting unjustified.

Her intent is irrelevant.

[mowens]

Her intent is the most important part. Her actions were not those of someone trying to kill an ICE agent.
As I said, it may be legal but it was not necessary nor morally justifiable. Now, we've each stated our sides many times and doing it many more times won't change either of our minds.
I'm done.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

A sad truth is, with the capabilities of AI these days, you really don't know if a video is accurate unless you
physically took it yourself.

Cool, now the nutters are blaming AI for their delusions.

[TylerBeer]

So we've moved from, she didn't hit him to...

Well... Yeah, she hit him. But she wasn't going that fast.

I guess that's progress.

I don't think she really hit hm, if anything it looks like brushed by him. If it even did make contact with him, how fast could she have possibly been going? Nothing about that was life threatening.

[pmartin]

In my view the telling action is when the ICE agent took his third shot at her through the open driver's side window. The car was beside the man. The only way that the woman could have injured him at that point would have been to stop driving and attempt to hit him by opening the door. Not much threat anymore.

[CNCAppsJames]

Moral of the story; stay clear of immigration enforcement operations, stay away from volitaile situations, and mind your own damn business. 

Do those things, and it's pretty much a certainty you won't find yourself unalived.

Nobody is changing anyone's mind on this situation. 

[Newbeeee™]

Moral of the story; stay clear of immigration enforcement operations, stay away from volitaile situations, and mind your own damn business.

Do those things, and it's pretty much a certainty you won't find yourself unalived.

Nobody is changing anyone's mind on this situation.

This 100%
But.... an old neighbour in spain told me the time he was late to the doctors, on his motorbike turned into a road and there was a queue of 30 cars stationary as it was a police stop.
So he turned around, rode back up the road to go another way, and within 2 minutes had 2 police bikes by his side stopping him.
They made him turn around and go back to the queue and by the time he got to the front they waved him through without stopping him anyway

[TylerBeer]

Moral of the story; stay clear of immigration enforcement operations, stay away from volitaile situations, and mind your own damn business.

Do those things, and it's pretty much a certainty you won't find yourself unalived.

Nobody is changing anyone's mind on this situation.

Jeff this means Ashley Babbit too

[beej]

Her intent is the most important part. Her actions were not those of someone trying to kill an ICE agent.
As I said, it may be legal but it was not necessary nor morally justifiable. Now, we've each stated our sides many times and doing it many more times won't change either of our minds.
I'm done.

While I see the logic that you are following here. The flaw in it is that an officer doesn't have time in the moment to consider intent.

[neurosis]

While I see the logic that you are following here. The flaw in it is that an officer doesn't have time in the moment to consider intent.

He had time to walk in front of the car and switch his cell phone in to the other hand, so his firearm hand was open.

[beej]

He had time to walk in front of the car and switch his cell phone in to the other hand, so his firearm hand was open.

He walked in front of the car....While she was backing up....

How long does it actually take you to switch your cell from one hand to another. Is it faster than guessing what I'm thinking right now?