Vaccination and work

[Rstewart]

Haven't read the latest but I saw where I believe that it's going to reqired to take the shot as a Gov employee, also defense contractors working on site.
Myself and my wife work on a military base.  She is a gov employee and I'm just a dirty contractor, we're not excited about this.  I'm not anti-vaccer, but this seems like a violation to me....

[ghuns]

Haven't read the latest but I saw where I believe that it's going to reqired to take the shot as a Gov employee, also defense contractors working on site.
Myself and my wife work on a military base.  She is a gov employee and I'm just a dirty contractor, we're not excited about this.  I'm not anti-vaccer, but this seems like a violation to me....

I'm not sure .gov employees can be required to take the shot. So far, not even the US military is requiring it. And they get vaccinated for EVERYTHING. I think once it's FDA approved, not just approved for emergency use, then it can be made mandatory.

[Jim at Gentex]

I think once it's FDA approved, not just approved for emergency use, then it can be made mandatory.

And that raises the key question:
"Why hasn't FDA approval been given yet?"

Could it be because the not-a-vaccine is not a vaccine?
Or because it is NOT safe and effective, which is the FDA standard?

Hard pass until those questions are addressed with something other than "Shut up and roll up your sleeve."

Apparently the Postal Workers Union is having none of it.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/07/29/americas-largest-postal-worker-union-has-thoughts-about-vaccine-mandates-n2593280">https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavl ... s-n2593280">https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/07/29/americas-largest-postal-worker-union-has-thoughts-about-vaccine-mandates-n2593280

"We put this guidance out because the science demonstrates that if you are vaccinated you could potentially give disease to someone else," Walensky said.

Simple English Translation: If you are fully vaccinated and can still get or give the virus, your vaccine doesn't work.

Unfortunately the simple-minded children who can't grasp that concept are still running the show, and when the adults in the room want to have a real conversation about it they are silenced.

[YoDoug]

It's all about creating divide and contention. If they get a large enough portion of the people fighting about vax or no vax they think no one will pay attention to the massive election fraud being uncovered daily.

[gcode]

My wife and I didn't even hesitate about getting the vaccine
We both lived in foreign lands as children, Vaccines and frequent booster shots
were a way of life.
There were no Americans there who refused vaccines because without an up to date shot book
you didn't get off the plane.
An unvaccinated American in Sumatra in the mid 1950's would
be dead in months.

Another factor.. anyone who's been in military service has had dozens of vaccines
Anyone who's been in the service and gone overseas has had even more.

The final factor .. my wife's doctor did emergency room duty at a local hospital  
during the pandemic.
We are both over 65 and she has asthma.
He told us in no uncertain terms to get the vaccine.
Dying of CV-19 is a slow horrible death.
You lie alone in an isolation ward with no visitors allowed spending  7 to 10 days
slowly suffocating to death.... one desperate breath at a time.

It is a huge tragedy that this has been so politized... and it makes me angry beyond words.
In Sept and October of last year Dems stood on the House and Senate floor
sanctimoniously stating they would never take the "Trump Vaccine" and calling him a liar
when he said vaccines would be available by year's end.

In February they were taking credit for it's release
Today they are threatening to jail "enemies of the state" who will not get the vaccine.
and yes... whether they will say it or not... it is still the Trump Vaccine

[Zoober]

If you and your Doctor feel you should get the jab, get it.
Last week, I had my 6 month labs done for my meds. In speaking with my physician, she recommended I forgo getting the jab. I agreed.
So no jab for me.
If you get a jab because you and your doctor feel it is best, jab on.
If you get a jab because your employer demands it regardless of you and your doctors advice, you are a sheep. A weak, female sheep with no balls. A whore. Hopefully, the jab sterilizes you, so you cannot procreate.
You are also a Biden voter, I'm sure.

[Matthew Hajicek]

It is a huge tragedy that this has been so politized... and it makes me angry beyond words.

Lay credit where it's due.  That polarization started when Trump called Covid a Democrat hoax, no worse than the flu, and promised it would disappear like magic by Easter.  Many on eMastercam voiced their agreement.

[gcode]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=13775 time=1627677081 user_id=57]

It is a huge tragedy that this has been so politized... and it makes me angry beyond words.

Lay credit where it's due.  That polarization started when Trump called Covid a Democrat hoax, no worse than the flu, and promised it would disappear like magic by Easter.  Many on eMastercam voiced their agreement.
[/quote]

can't argue with that.. Trump's mouth was his own worst enemy
Having said that, he remains a far better President that the one we have now

[neurosis]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=13775 time=1627677081 user_id=57]
Lay credit where it's due. That polarization started when Trump called Covid a Democrat hoax, no worse than the flu, and promised it would disappear like magic by Easter. Many on eMastercam voiced their agreement.
[/quote]


Trump never called the virus a "Democrat Hoax".   He called their reaction to his reaction to it a hoax.  He did downplayed it and they jumped on him.

can't argue with that.. Trump's mouth was his own worst enemy
Having said that, he remains a far better President that the one we have now

I've never heard him criticize the vaccination?

[gcode]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=13775 time=1627677081 user_id=57]
Lay credit where it's due. That polarization started when Trump called Covid a Democrat hoax, no worse than the flu, and promised it would disappear like magic by Easter. Many on eMastercam voiced their agreement.

Trump never called the virus a "Democrat Hoax".   He called their reaction to his reaction to it a hoax.  He did downplayed it and they jumped on him.

can't argue with that.. Trump's mouth was his own worst enemy
Having said that, he remains a far better President that the one we have now

I've never heard him criticize the vaccination?
[/quote]

Trump never said many of the things the lying media attributed to him,
but he does give them plenty of ammo

[Zoober]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=13775 time=1627677081 user_id=57]
Lay credit where it's due. That polarization started when Trump called Covid a Democrat hoax, no worse than the flu, and promised it would disappear like magic by Easter. Many on eMastercam voiced their agreement.

Trump never called the virus a "Democrat Hoax".   He called their reaction to his reaction to it a hoax.  He did downplayed it and they jumped on him.

can't argue with that.. Trump's mouth was his own worst enemy
Having said that, he remains a far better President that the one we have now

I've never heard him criticize the vaccination?
[/quote]

You are correct.

More misinformation from the defund the police crowd.

[Matthew Hajicek]

This speech hasn't aged well:

"And this is their new hoax."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721">https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... x-n1145721">https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721

Also note the bragging of only fifteen (known) infected at the time and none (known) dead.  Now over 600,000 confirmed US Covid deaths later, that gives a little perspective.

[HTM01]

If you and your Doctor feel you should get the jab, get it.
Last week, I had my 6 month labs done for my meds. In speaking with my physician, she recommended I forgo getting the jab. I agreed.
So no jab for me.
If you get a jab because you and your doctor feel it is best, jab on.
If you get a jab because your employer demands it regardless of you and your doctors advice, you are a sheep. A weak, female sheep with no balls. A whore. Hopefully, the jab sterilizes you, so you cannot procreate.
You are also a Biden voter, I'm sure.

maybe your Dr. doesn't like you and hopes it's one way of getting rid of you

[Zoober]

If you and your Doctor feel you should get the jab, get it.
Last week, I had my 6 month labs done for my meds. In speaking with my physician, she recommended I forgo getting the jab. I agreed.
So no jab for me.
If you get a jab because you and your doctor feel it is best, jab on.
If you get a jab because your employer demands it regardless of you and your doctors advice, you are a sheep. A weak, female sheep with no balls. A whore. Hopefully, the jab sterilizes you, so you cannot procreate.
You are also a Biden voter, I'm sure.

maybe your Dr. doesn't like you and hopes it's one way of getting rid of you

That's always a possibility.
But considering she hasn't had the jab, and only one of her staff has, it's a long shot.
But jab away if you want. I bet you wear a mask driving as well.

[neurosis]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=13788 time=1627709911 user_id=57]
This speech hasn't aged well:

"And this is their new hoax."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721">https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... x-n1145721">https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-calls-coronavirus-democrats-new-hoax-n1145721

Also note the bragging of only fifteen (known) infected at the time and none (known) dead.  Now over 600,000 confirmed US Covid deaths later, that gives a little perspective.
[/quote]

See, now you have me defending Trump!    Stop that!

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democratic-ad-twists-trumps-hoax-comment/">https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democ ... x-comment/">https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/democratic-ad-twists-trumps-hoax-comment/

The Democratic super PAC Priorities USA Action has been running an ad falsely suggesting President Donald Trump called the coronavirus outbreak a "hoax."

At the beginning, the ad splices together two quotes to have Trump saying, "The coronavirus, this is their new hoax." It is obvious in listening to the ad that he said, "The coronavirus," and, "this is their new hoax," at different times. His voice sounds quite different in the two segments.

But on the screen, "The coronavirus, this is their new hoax" appears as a single sentence.

Trump did use the word "hoax" but his full comments, and subsequent explanation, make clear he was talking about Democratic attacks on his administration's handling of the outbreak, not the virus itself.