Vaccination and work

[YoDoug]

Statins have saved my life I am certain of.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should throw away their scripts. They save lives. However, they only treat the symptoms, not the underlying causes. I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head but the amount of people on statins that have a major heart/stroke incident within 10 years is alarming. A few years ago my doctor said he would put me on them if he didn't see a change on my next years physical. I asked how long would I need to be on them, he said forever. IMO, if I need to be on a medication forever it is not a cure, it is only treating the symptoms. 20 years ago I had a doctor prescribe Prilosec for heartburn. It messed up my system to the point that I was even worse without them. Even just a few years ago when I ask my last doctor how to get off of them, his answer was you won't be able to. So I took matters into my own hands, researched and then changed my life/diet. I ate the right kinds of foods to fix my gut biome, which in turn fixed my heartburn problem. I eat spicy foods all the time now without any issues. I also have good results from blood/heart tests as well. I have had multiple doctors, with waiting rooms full of big pharma literature, tell me scripts were the only way, not one has ever suggested proper nutrition. Probably because the big food industry has bought their way into the FDA/USDA and the nutrition training doctors get is framed by big industry money.

Here is an honest question. In your opinion how would you rank the following animal proteins from best to worst, beef, pork, lamb, fish, eggs, dairy. While I am unlikely to full on vegan I have been thinking that it would be a good idea to cut down on the amount of meat that I eat on a daily basis.

I really don't know that I would even try to rank them. From the research and studies I have read, they all have some negative effects on human health. The dairy protein casein has been found to turn on cancer cell gene expression in lab studies. Red meat has been linked to colon cancer. All animal products have cholesterol. Your body makes all the cholesterol it needs, and dietary intake of cholesterol just adds to potential issues. I know that a lot of athletes that still eat meat, that are generally healthy, often cut out red meat and dairy. They keep leaner meats and fish in their diet. I think a whole foods diet with lots of fruit and veggies, no processed foods, no dairy, and some lean meats would probably improve the health of most Americans.

Personally I will admit I fall off the vegan wagon once or twice a year. First my kids will want pizza so I'll have some. Then I crave some spicy wings or a burger. Slowly over a couple weeks I will start eating a bunch of inflammation causing animal foods. After a week or so I feel like crap. I need a couple days in-between BJJ or intense workouts to recover and I am always tired. Then when I switch back to a whole foods plant diet the only way I can describe it is my body comes alive. I can workout everyday and not be sore. I have energy and sleep better. I won't go into too much detail, but after a week of whole foods plant based eating, lets just say my "special purpose" is reinvigorated like I am a teenager again.  

[pmartin]

Thanks for your opinion. I was frankly wondering what effect your exercise regimen was having on your health vs your diet  and you seem to covered that.

[YoDoug]

Thanks for your opinion. I was frankly wondering what effect your exercise regimen was having on your health vs your diet  and you seem to covered that.

When most people watch the Game Changers doc they don't believe the stories the athletes tell. They can't imagine a plant based diet would improve your health and physical performance that much. I can say first hand that for me, it does/has. When I first decided to make a change in my life I didn't go plant based. I started first with exercise. I dropped 25lbs quickly and started feeling better immediately. Then I realized, as the saying goes, you can't out work a bad diet. I knew I needed to make that change if I wanted to keep improving. At first I just started calorie counting. That helped me drop another 10-15lbs. That put me around 20-25% body fat, estimated. Then I started the plant based diet. I dropped another 10lbs. and got down to about 15-18% body fat. Not quite a full six pack, but definite ab definition. I have since focused a lot on strength training and have gained about 10lbs of muscle. I do still consume alcohol and indulge in the occasional sweet treat. This is probably what keeps me from getting down to that 10-12% body fat, however I am not all that worried about that. I just want to be healthy, strong, and keep doing BJJ without unnecessary amounts of pain and recovery time.

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[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=13846 time=1627990923 user_id=83]
My doc also said I am not high-risk, and he personally, AS A DOCTOR, has decided he is not getting the vax either.
He is concerned about the completely unknown long-term potential pitfalls of the mRNA technology that will ONLY be known after time elapses and further study can be done.
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So what are your thoughts on the more "traditional" vaccine, the one from J&J?

[Jim at Gentex]

It's not 'traditional' in any sense.
It still causes your body to 'artificially' produce the spike proteins.
The Moderna and Pfizer deliver mRNA, the J&J delivers DNA.

'Traditional' vaccines take a 'dead' version of an actual virus to help your body produce natural antibodies.
These mRNA and DNA approaches use synthetic materials to mimic that process, and that is the part that has no long term study data to verify it is safe.  They work by delivering a 'short-term' set of instructions to essentially alter the cell structure to accomplish the goal.  

Many doctors are questioning whether those 'short-term' instructions have long-term consequences, and they are being silenced for even asking the questions.
That alone gives me pause.

Science used to be about asking questions and testing theories.
Now it has become infused with politics, so asking legitimate questions that counter the narrative get you labeled and promptly silenced.  

[Del.]

Kind of surprised you didn't take vaccine Jim.

[neurosis]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=13900 time=1628079008 user_id=83]
the J&J delivers DNA.
[/quote][quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=13900 time=1628079008 user_id=83]
These mRNA and DNA approaches use synthetic materials to mimic that process, and that is the part that has no long term study data to verify it is safe.
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Wasn't there an Ebola Virus vaccine that used viral vector technology (similar to the JnJ) several years ago?

edit: I looked it up.. My reading and knowledge on this is about as limited as limited gets but -  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine#History">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vec ... ne#History">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_vector_vaccine#History

Human clinical trials were conducted for viral vector vaccines against several infectious diseases including Zika virus, influenza viruses, respiratory syncytial virus, HIV, and malaria, before the vaccines targeting SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19.[1]

Two Ebola vaccines using viral vector technology were used in Ebola outbreaks in West Africa (2013–2016) and in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (2018–2020).[1] The rVSV-ZEBOV vaccine was approved for medical use in the European Union in November 2019,[19] and in the United States in December 2019.[20][21] Zabdeno/Mvabea was approved for medical use in the European Union in July 2020.[

[Jim at Gentex]

Wasn't there an Ebola Virus vaccine that used viral vector technology (similar to the JnJ) several years ago?

Yes, it was FDA approved in 2019.
https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/clinicians/vaccine/index.html">https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/clinician ... index.html">https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/clinicians/vaccine/index.html

Still no long-range data available, and still some unknown factors:

The correlate of protection, or the specific immune response to the Ervebo® vaccine that closely relates to protection against infection with EBOV, is unknown and still being studied. The duration of protection by Ervebo® against EBOV is unknown. It is also not known whether it is effective when administered concurrently with antiviral medication, immune globulin, and/or blood or plasma transfusion.

The COVID-19 vaccines currently in use have at least as many unknowns, if not more.

Kind of surprised you didn't take vaccine Jim.

I'm still not convinced.
There are too many doctors who understand this stuff at the PhD level who are being silenced, and social media platforms deciding what constitutes 'misinformation'.

At first the general attitude was that getting the vaccine or not getting the vaccine was a personal choice.
That is now changing.
Now the attitude is that if bribing and bullying don't work, people who still choose to NOT get the vaccine are being ostracized and excluded.
The mayor of New York City just said so.

This has gone far beyond a health discussion, and has taken on a definite political tone.
Forced compliance to anything SHOULD be openly debated, but in this case the answer is "Shut up and roll up your sleeve."
That's just not good enough for me to be convinced.

[HTM01]

didn't doctor's in the 60's recommend smoking for weight loss and stress relief

[neurosis]

didn't doctor's in the 60's recommend smoking for weight loss and stress relief

Technically, they weren't wrong?  

Everyone that I know who quits smoking is stressed out and gains weight.  

[Shazam/TPP]

Did anyone bother reading the study before commenting on it?      I mean literally anyone?  

the study? never heard of it

[pmartin]

Did anyone bother reading the study before commenting on it?      I mean literally anyone?  

the study? never heard of it

I read it now I have a waffle shaped mark on my forehead from when my face hit the keyboard!

[Shazam/TPP]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=13907 time=1628085126 user_id=83]

At first the general attitude was that getting the vaccine or not getting the vaccine was a personal choice.
That is now changing.
Now the attitude is that if bribing and bullying don't work, people who still choose to NOT get the vaccine are being ostracized and excluded.
The mayor of New York City just said so.

This has gone far beyond a health discussion, and has taken on a definite political tone.
Forced compliance to anything SHOULD be openly debated, but in this case the answer is "Shut up and roll up your sleeve."
That's just not good enough for me to be convinced.
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remember when the left was saying to lock up the right and re-educate (indoctrinate)? now they have the excuse/means  
to the almighty left  

[Rstewart]

Wow, I started a lively Convo with this topic lol.   Me, I'm 36 in pretty great health minus psoriatic arthritis and gluten intolerance.  I will not be getting the vaccine UNLESS it's it's gonna hamstring my career (involves some traveling).  Hell, I've never even had a flu shot, also don't ever remember contracting the flu as well.....

[HTM01]

Wow, I started a lively Convo with this topic lol.   Me, I'm 36 in pretty great health minus psoriatic arthritis and gluten intolerance.  I will not be getting the vaccine UNLESS it's it's gonna hamstring my career (involves some traveling).  Hell, I've never even had a flu shot, also don't ever remember contracting the flu as well.....

psoriatic arthritis is an auto immune disease which puts you at a higher risk already