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[neurosis]

Although Brand is an arse

How can you say that!?!    He's hilarious!

[Jeff]

Although Brand is an arse, he's spot on.

Yeah I can't stand him and don't find him funny in the movies or shows he's been in at all.

But I've watched a couple of his YT videos and he's pretty much spot on like you say.

[Jeff]

He's hilarious!

[Jim at Gentex]

I remember a bunch of people were shocked but very few (if any) people were talking about stolen elections or installing false electors. I expect you're just swapping Clinton's name for Trump and pretending those things happened then too.

Selective memory indeed.
The Democrats often talk about stolen elections when they lose.

Hillary was still crying about a stolen 2016 election 3 years later and beyond.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/05/06/hillary_clinton_you_can_run_the_best_campaign_and_have_the_election_stolen_from_you.html#!


Stacey Abrams is still bitching about her 2018 loss, also claiming the election was stolen.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/20/stacey-abrams-refuses-concede-lost-election-perpet/

So yeah...

[beej]

I remember a bunch of people were shocked but very few (if any) people were talking about stolen elections or installing false electors. I expect you're just swapping Clinton's name for Trump and pretending those things happened then too.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2012/06/yes-bush-v-gore-did-steal-the-election.html

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vp-harris-jamal-simmons-george-w-bush-stole-election

https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/29/terry-mcauliffe-believes-bush-stole-the-2000-election-but-now-calls-voter-fraud-claims-conspiracy-theories/

https://www.resilience.org/stories/2004-11-05/electronic-voting-stolen-election-2004/

https://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/07/23/billpress.column/index.html

https://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2022/08/11/what-about-democrats-who-deny-elections-n2611586

https://www.democracynow.org/2005/11/4/was_the_2004_election_stolen_a

Fake electors:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/house-democrats-trump-electoral-college-233264

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/no-trump-electoral-college-challenge-233294

https://www.npr.org/2017/01/06/508562183/biden-to-democrats-objecting-to-electoral-college-results-it-is-over

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/06/politics/electoral-college-vote-count-objections/index.html

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/01/democrats-disrupt-trumps-electoral-college-certification.html

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/12/17/how-democrats-attempted-a-2016-electoral-college-coup/

Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., framed altering the Electoral College vote as a way to prevent a soft Russian takeover of the United States.

"This man is not only unqualified to be president, he's a danger to the republic," Himes said. "I do think the Electoral College should choose someone other than Donald Trump to be president. That will lead to a fascinating legal issue, but I would rather have a legal issue, a complicated legal problem, than to find out the White House was now the Kremlin's chief ally."

Christine Pelosi, a California elector and daughter of House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, took up the mantle for a potential Electoral College coup.

The younger Pelosi led a letter signed by 53 other electors—including one rogue Republican from Texas—addressed to the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, requesting the intelligence community provide a briefing on Russian interference for the full Electoral College before it convened in 50 state capitols.

"We do not understand our sole function [to be] to convene in mid-December, several weeks after Election Day, and summarily cast our votes," said the letter. "To the contrary, the Constitution envisions the Electoral College as a deliberative body that plays a critical role in our system of government—ensuring that the American people elect a president who is constitutionally qualified and fit to serve."

As the chairwoman of the California Democratic Party Women's Caucus, Christine Pelosi had been "thoroughly convinced that this would be my opportunity to cast a vote for the first woman president of the United States."

To that end, she petitioned to be an elector. Despite the letter extolling the deliberative role of the Electoral College, she said in an interview with the left-wing Democracy Now! broadcast that she would prefer to scrap it.

"I'm a member of the Electoral College who would like to see the end of the Electoral College," she said. She added, "But as long as you charge me to do a job as an elector, I'm going to do it with agency and with attention. And right now, I'd like to pay attention to the evidence."

Then, there was a group calling themselves the Hamilton Electors, named for Alexander Hamilton, who said that the Electoral College existed to ensure "the office of president will never fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications."

Bret Chiafalo, an elector from Washington state, and Michael Baca, an elector from Colorado, started the effort. "We're trying to be that 'break in case of emergency' fire hose that's gotten dusty over the last 200 years," Chiafalo told The Atlantic.

They first sought the near-unattainable goal of uniting 135 Republicans and 135 Democrats behind a compromise Republican: John Kasich or maybe Mitt Romney. A slightly more realistic alternative was to convince 37 Republican electors to stray from Trump, bringing his total below the needed 270 electoral votes. That would send the election to the House of Representatives.

In addition, Clinton electors in California, Colorado, and Washington filed lawsuits to overturn state restrictions on electors from voting however they wish. This was supposed to set a legal precedent to allow Trump electors to break.

Hollywood even got in on the act. In an ad sponsored by United For America, Martin Sheen, star of NBC's "West Wing," was joined by other Hollywood stars, including Debra Messing, Richard Schiff, and Bob Odenkirk, for a political ad.

The audience was the Republican electors. Each actor stated, "I'm not asking you to vote for Hillary Clinton." They then requested that Republicans in the Electoral College be an "American hero" by keeping Trump out of the White House through their "service and patriotism to the American people.

On Dec. 19, a total of seven electors bolted from the candidate who had won their state. But despite the left's efforts, the closest thing we saw to a revolt came from Clinton electors.

Four from Washington state abandoned Clinton, with three voting for Colin Powell and another voting for Faith Spotted Eagle, a Native American activist from South Dakota. A Hawaii Democratic elector voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders.

On the Republican side, Ohio Gov. John Kasich and former Texas U.S. Rep. Ron Paul each got one vote from rebel Texas Republican electors. The final tally was Trump 304, Clinton 227.

[Smit]

As opposed to the entire GOP believing the election was stolen from Trump because of voter fraud without any evidence whatsoever?

There is a big difference.

Rep. Jim Himes, D-Conn., framed altering the Electoral College vote as a way to prevent a soft Russian takeover of the United States.

"This man is not only unqualified to be president, he's a danger to the republic," Himes said. "I do think the Electoral College should choose someone other than Donald Trump to be president. That will lead to a fascinating legal issue, but I would rather have a legal issue, a complicated legal problem, than to find out the White House was now the Kremlin's chief ally."

Christine Pelosi, a California elector and daughter of House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, took up the mantle for a potential Electoral College coup.

The younger Pelosi led a letter signed by 53 other electors—including one rogue Republican from Texas—addressed to the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, requesting the intelligence community provide a briefing on Russian interference for the full Electoral College before it convened in 50 state capitols.

This is similar in a way, except the guy has a point. Trump was unqualified to be president. But even so he won the election so he was. Nobody is claiming voter fraud, at least not without proof.

[gcode]

I remember a bunch of people were shocked but very few (if any) people were talking about stolen elections or installing false electors. I expect you're just swapping Clinton's name for Trump and pretending those things happened then too.

Smit.. you are either delusional or willfully ignorant ... the 2020 electoral college results were contested
right up to and even after Jan 20 2021

a lot of your lack of memory may be due to where you get your news from.
A guy here at work was going nuts over mokeypox... I asked him why and he said Riverside County just declared a state
of emergency.
I asked him if he was going to gay orgies, cause that's where 98% of monkeypox  cases originate.
He had no clue, because his news sources give him the PC version of the news, not the truth.

[beej]

his is similar in a way, except the guy has a point. Trump was unqualified to be president. But even so he won the election so he was. Nobody is claiming voter fraud, at least not without proof.

https://intellectualtakeout.org/2022/08/what-about-democrats-who-deny-elections/

Hillary Clinton consistently calls the presidential election of 2016 "stolen" and described then-President Trump as "illegitimate." Former President Jimmy Carter said in 2019: "I think a full investigation would show that Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election, and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf." New York Attorney General Letitia James said she "will never be afraid to challenge this illegitimate president."

About the 2016 election, former Obama Secretary of Homeland Security Jeh Johnson testified under oath that, while the Russians tried to manipulate voting machines, there is no evidence that a single vote tally was changed. As to the effect of Russian interference, Johnson said that there's no way of knowing whether the interference affected public opinion or the election result.

Nevertheless a 2018 YouGov poll found 66 percent of Democrats believe that Russia changed vote tallies to elect Trump in 2016. A 2018 Gallup poll found 78 percent of Democrats believe that Russian interference in 2016 "changed the outcome of the election" in favor of Trump.

https://news.yahoo.com/poll-two-thirds-of-republicans-still-think-the-2020-election-was-rigged-165934695.html

The survey of 1,552 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 30 to Aug. 2, found that 66 percent of Republicans continue to insist that "the election was rigged and stolen from Trump," while just 18 percent believe "Joe Biden won fair and square." Twenty-eight percent of independent voters also said they think Trump was the rightful winner of the 2020 election, as did a small 3 percent of Democrats.

[Jim at Gentex]

Smit.. you are either delusional or willfully ignorant ...

Or both...

I would be willing to bet he doesn't WANT to see evidence, like presented in the film '2000 Mules'.
Ignorance is truly bliss...

[Smit]

Nevertheless a 2018 YouGov poll found 66 percent of Democrats believe that Russia changed vote tallies to elect Trump in 2016. A 2018 Gallup poll found 78 percent of Democrats believe that Russian interference in 2016 "changed the outcome of the election" in favor of Trump.

I don't believe that many people believed Russia changed vote tallies if you are saying they actually changed the votes in the machines. Russia's main involvement was disinformation on social media.

The survey of 1,552 U.S. adults, which was conducted from July 30 to Aug. 2, found that 66 percent of Republicans continue to insist that "the election was rigged and stolen from Trump," while just 18 percent believe "Joe Biden won fair and square." Twenty-eight percent of independent voters also said they think Trump was the rightful winner of the 2020 election, as did a small 3 percent of Democrats.

Which is kind of the point. Not a shred of evidence there was fraud and so many people still believe it. And I'd say the estimate is low for the Republicans.

[CNCAppsJames]

A guy here at work was going nuts over mokeypox... I asked him why and he said Riverside County just declared a state
of emergency.
I asked him if he was going to gay orgies, cause that's where 98% of monkeypox  cases originate.
He had no clue, because his news sources give him the PC version of the news, not the truth.

A close family friend that an outside viewer would see as conservative that lives in Los Angeles County expressed the same amount of concern. He's 'Rona vaxxed (not sure to what degree... forgot to ask). I simply showed him the CDC's report that is mostly tucked away (but still publicly accessible) that shows the 98% statistic. I asked again "Are you as concerned about it now?" He sheepishly admitted not so much now. We had a frank discussion about "news" and how important it is to view it with a VERY critical eye REGARDLESS of origin.

The majority of "news" content today is NOT news, it is "opinion". The opinions will vary based on the source but they nearly always have a narrative of some sort to follow. It's work picking the pepper out of the fly shit and frankly there's at least 88,000,000 voters that are too fuckin' lazy to do so. That translates directly into the "news" cycle. Weed out. Then verify.

[Smit]

Or both...

I would be willing to bet he doesn't WANT to see evidence, like presented in the film '2000 Mules'.
Ignorance is truly bliss...

You are correct, I have no interest in watching a movie. Or Youtube videos.

Bill Barr (among others) has rejected it and that's good enough for me. Yes, Barr was Trumps lap dog but he did show a streak of patriotism at the end.

[CNCAppsJames]

I don't believe that many people believed Russia changed vote tallies if you are saying they actually changed the votes in the machines. Russia's main involvement was disinformation on social media.

Of course you don't Smit. It doesn't fit your narrative. It is NOT a fringe element that believes that "Russia changed vote tallies", it is mainstream thought. I have lost count of left leaning professional people that I know and I believe they are quite intelligent that believe exactly that to their core with every fiber of their being. Granted, few will say it loudly out loud... but in conversations with friends they will admit precisely that.

[CNCAppsJames]

You are correct, I have no interest in seeing evidence that contradicts my closely held beliefs.

Free fiss.

[Del.]

We wuz robbed.  Lol