Tulsi Gabbard sees the light

[RobertELee]

I thought that Republicans literally just voted against protection for contraceptive rights?

While I admit I didn't follow this very closely, I believe the big issue people had with it was it included wording like "medication used to induce abortion" which can be taken pretty vaguely. And they never even debated or discussed it, just went straight to vote.

[Smit]

bullshit... if that were true contraceptives would be over the counter drugs as they've been in Europe for decades
The R have been trying to do this for 30 years and the D's have successfully blocked them for 30 years.
 

I'd really like to know more about this. Do you have a reputable link to a source of reliable info?

[neurosis]

I'd really like to know more about this. Do you have a reputable link to a source of reliable info?

The only things I could find quickly, are an article by USA Today which basically just quotes a Reason article.

It's an interesting read if you have the time for it.

https://reason.com/2019/01/16/deregulate-the-pill/

[gcode]

I'd really like to know more about this. Do you have a reputable link to a source of reliable info?

I cannot.. I tried, but failed. I knew the media was biased, but I am stunned at how bad the coverage on this issue is.
The GOP introduced a bill this year that made contraception available over the counter. Simple clean and neat. The catch?? It was not a free benefit. It died at birth and I can find no trace of it.
I did find two links to it, but both were broken.

The Dem contraception bill that the GOP blocked in July was a $5 billion payout to Planned Parenthood
written to ensure the GOP would block it and provide plenty of outrage and talking points leading into the mid terms.

[CNCAppsJames]

The Dem contraception bill that the GOP blocked in July was a $5 billion payout to Planned Parenthood
written to ensure the GOP would block it and provide plenty of outrage and talking points leading into the mid terms.

Planned Eugenics WILL get their handout and millions more innocent children will be murdered. One way or another the Party of Death to Innocents will get it's taxpayer funded infusion of cash. One way or another.

[Smit]

The only things I could find quickly, are an article by USA Today which basically just quotes a Reason article.

It's an interesting read if you have the time for it.

https://reason.com/2019/01/16/deregulate-the-pill/

That was an interesting article.

I like the web site as well. It's rated right/center but has a high factual rating with high credibility. It critiques left as well as right positions so I agree a libertarian site is a good description.

I think I'll keep it on my browser for a new news source.

Overall, we rate Reason Magazine Right-Center biased based on story selection that favors Libertarian positions and High for factual reporting due to mostly proper sourcing, and a clean fact check record.

[Jeff]

[neurosis]

That was an interesting article.

In my opinion, it shows that it isn't as black and white as "republicans supported otc contraceptives".  They've flopped on the issue and I wonder if they would vote for it now if the Dems tried to pass a bill legalizing otc contraceptives, or would they try to block it because they can't allow a political win under any circumstances. Seems strange to me for a party to claim to support otc contraceptives and then turn around and shit on a bill that guarantees contraceptive rights. I guess they want to allow them otc. Just not in their States?   

The Dems aren't innocent either.  How do they explain voting against otc contraceptives if they are really fighting for contraceptive rights?

I like how the article talks about how each side have used this as a political baseball bat to beat the other party with when it is convenient. 

This is probably the kind of shit Tulsi was talking about in that quote I posted. 

The very real possibility of Roe v Wade being overturned terrifies me. I am sick of women's bodies being used as pawns so politicians can score cheap political points at the expense of their freedom and safety.

[YoDoug]

old news.

Hillary called her a Ruskie a long time ago.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/18/hillary-clinton-revives-allegation-that-tulsi-gabbard-is-russian-plant/


https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard/index.html

https://www.9news.com.au/world/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard-russian-asset-jill-stein-third-party-usa-election-news/f6aed9aa-9b63-457b-83d8-0028c8cd1d6b
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-accuses-rep-tulsi-gabbard-of-trying-to-rig-election-for-the-russians/

Remember when the Dems were criticizing her for wearing a bikini, saying it is not very presidential.....

https://lajolla.com/news/tulsi-gabbard-bikini-photos-cause-quite-a-stir/

BTW, you're welcome.

[Smit]

In my opinion, it shows that it isn't as black and white as "republicans supported otc contraceptives".  They've flopped on the issue and I wonder if they would vote for it now if the Dems tried to pass a bill legalizing otc contraceptives, or would they try to block it because they can't allow a political win under any circumstances. Seems strange to me for a party to claim to support otc contraceptives and then turn around and shit on a bill that guarantees contraceptive rights. I guess they want to allow them otc. Just not in their States?   

The Dems aren't innocent either.  How do they explain voting against otc contraceptives if they are really fighting for contraceptive rights?

I like how the article talks about how each side have used this as a political baseball bat to beat the other party with when it is convenient. 

This is probably the kind of shit Tulsi was talking about in that quote I posted. 

It is rarely black and white. And politics is always a dirty business of trying to mislead the voters to each parties advantage.

I think the article you linked did a good job of pointing out the why's of each party's position in the OTC debate.

As far as Tulsi goes, I'd like for her to elaborate on the positions she's protesting about. It kinda sounds like a bunch of right wing talking points. There is no substance to anything she says so I'd be interested in hearing her flesh out those idea.

In particular her comment about dragging us closer to nuclear war. I expect that's a reference for supporting Ukraine and she has a problem with that.

So what is her position? What would she support? Just let Putin have the Ukraine comes to mind but maybe she's got a better idea?

But she does indeed look good in a bikini, so that's a big positive.

[CNCAppsJames]

...Seems strange to me for a party to claim to support otc contraceptives and then turn around and shit on a bill that guarantees contraceptive rights....

As with nearly ALL bills, the devil is in the details. There was a poison pill in there. Dems chummed the water for these kind of shennanigans when Bush 1 was in office, and it's been game on over since. I dare say nobody forsaw to the extent of the damage to the political process back then that those kinds of bills would produce. Had they forsee it, perhaps they would have pursued a different strategy. Maybe not. I just recall as a kid Tip O'Neill and Ronald Reagan disagreeing in public on things but STILL being able to get some work done. Not all good work... fuckin' Ronnie... our immigaration problems of today are 100% HIS fault. But that's a story for another day. 

There are consequences to EVERYTHING. Sometimes the consequences are good or positive. Sometimes the consequences are bad or negative. I think prior to Clinton's Presidency, both sides of the aisle could work together for the common good. Today however, not so much. The Republicans don't dare give an inch because those lefitst pieces of shit will take 1,000,000,000 miles. And the left... they can't give an inch because #OrangeManBad #BushLiedPeopleDied #MeanTweets #NoBloodForOil, and whatever other nonsense they pull out of their ass will have their sycophants shreiking like banshees.

[neurosis]

In particular her comment about dragging us closer to nuclear war. I expect that's a reference for supporting Ukraine and she has a problem with that.

So what is her position? What would she support? Just let Putin have the Ukraine comes to mind but maybe she's got a better idea?

Maybe she's been noticing things like recent NY Public Service Announcements telling people what to do in case of a nuclear war?

[CNCAppsJames]

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As far as Tulsi goes, I'd like for her to elaborate on the positions she's protesting about. It kinda sounds like a bunch of right wing talking points. There is no substance to anything she says so I'd be interested in hearing her flesh out those idea.
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At bare minimum, with Tulsi, you'll at least have a chance to hear a rational discussion or a rational debate on issues instead of just sound bites. Don't get me wrong, I DO NOT agree with a great many of the policies she's voted in the affirmative for during her congressional tenure.

I just think at this stage of the game, encouraging sane discussions on policy every once in a while is a good thing, and is possible with her. The left, sanity left their party as soon as Oturdbucket started in on his racist bullshit early on in his presidency. During the election he was saying the right things, "... if I do not win, it won't be because of my color, it will be because I failed to articulate my positions well enough...". Once he got into office his true racist self came out and he doubled down on the bushit every day since.

[Smit]

Maybe she's been noticing things like recent NY Public Service Announcements telling people what to do in case of a nuclear war?

Or maybe she thinks we shouldn't be supporting Ukraine against Russia?

Putin's spouting a lot of threats to use nukes so there is that.

North Korea is having a fit because they aren't getting the attention they want, shooting missiles over Japan and such. Does that have something to do with it?

Some people claim she's a Russian sympathizer?

Could be a lot of things but since decided to publicize how she's leaving the democrats I hope she elaborates further to make her thoughts clear.

She's a pretty accomplished person so I'm sure she's capable of doing more than regurgitating Republican talking points.   

[Del.]

She grew tired of the Dems using the race card and woke trend constantly. We all are.