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beej

Quote from: Smit on November 03, 2022, 06:03 PMThen I'd suggest you become a paid subscriber so he can continue to regale you with his tales of "conversion." :)
So salty!  ;D
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neurosis

Quote from: BrianP. on November 04, 2022, 03:56 AMIDK. There are a few on here that still don't have conscious thoughts. 🤪


Aww man. I think they're on to me.  :sofa:
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BrianP.

Quote from: neurosis on November 04, 2022, 06:10 AMAww man. I think they're on to me.  :sofa:

Oh believe me you are not alone. 🤪

beej

Quote from: Matthew Hajicek on November 03, 2022, 04:02 PMA fetus is a clump of cells.  Prove me wrong.

I've known this since grade school, it's not that hard.

The only significant thing that distinguishes a person from a non-person is the capability of conscious thought.
Does a person under anesthesia lose his person hood till he wakes up? point being, what if the lack of conscious thought is only temporary?
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Matthew Hajicek

Quote from: beej on November 04, 2022, 09:32 AMDoes a person under anesthesia lose his person hood till he wakes up? point being, what if the lack of conscious thought is only temporary?

In my opinion, technically yes.  In addition, each time you lose consciousness, you cease to be as a sentient entity.  When you wake up again, or begin to dream (if you are dreaming, you are conscious, just not aware of the external world), it's a new sentient entity booting up with the memories and neural patterns left by the previous one.  You're never the same person twice; there is no actual continuity.

When you go to sleep, or otherwise lose consciousness, it's in faith that a substantially similar consciousness will come to be in the near future, which will satisfy your biological need for apparent continuity.  So if you kill someone while they're unconscious, you're stealing that from the entity that existed before they fell unconscious.
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beej

Quote from: Matthew Hajicek on November 04, 2022, 09:48 AMIn my opinion, technically yes.  In addition, each time you lose consciousness, you cease to be as a sentient entity.  When you wake up again, or begin to dream (if you are dreaming, you are conscious, just not aware of the external world), it's a new sentient entity booting up with the memories and neural patterns left by the previous one.  You're never the same person twice; there is no actual continuity.

When you go to sleep, or otherwise lose consciousness, it's in faith that a substantially similar consciousness will come to be in the near future, which will satisfy your biological need for apparent continuity.  So if you kill someone while they're unconscious, you're stealing that from the entity that existed before they fell unconscious.
you live in a fantasy world, and it's not even a good fantasy.
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Tim Johnson

Quote from: Matthew Hajicek on November 04, 2022, 09:48 AMIn my opinion, technically yes.  In addition, each time you lose consciousness, you cease to be as a sentient entity.  When you wake up again, or begin to dream (if you are dreaming, you are conscious, just not aware of the external world), it's a new sentient entity booting up with the memories and neural patterns left by the previous one.  You're never the same person twice; there is no actual continuity.

When you go to sleep, or otherwise lose consciousness, it's in faith that a substantially similar consciousness will come to be in the near future, which will satisfy your biological need for apparent continuity.  So if you kill someone while they're unconscious, you're stealing that from the entity that existed before they fell unconscious.
Going to sleep is not losing consciousness. I wake up quite often to write down an answer to a question I long forgot about or may have been thinking about before sleep. Every once in a while I may be trying to wake up but my body won't allow it and I sometimes will end up blasting myself awake and scaring the hell out of my wife. Losing consciousnesses would not allow for any of that.
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YoDoug

Quote from: Matthew Hajicek on November 04, 2022, 09:48 AMIn my opinion, technically yes.  In addition, each time you lose consciousness, you cease to be as a sentient entity.  When you wake up again, or begin to dream (if you are dreaming, you are conscious, just not aware of the external world), it's a new sentient entity booting up with the memories and neural patterns left by the previous one.  You're never the same person twice; there is no actual continuity.

When you go to sleep, or otherwise lose consciousness, it's in faith that a substantially similar consciousness will come to be in the near future, which will satisfy your biological need for apparent continuity.  So if you kill someone while they're unconscious, you're stealing that from the entity that existed before they fell unconscious.

LOL, Change few words and you got yourself one heck a full on Star Trek Nerd argument for what happens when you go through the transporter.
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Del.

I touched my Pepe' in my sleep. Not sure if I was conscious or unconscious. What about farting in your sleep? Real or not?
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Matthew Hajicek

Quote from: Tim Johnson on November 04, 2022, 11:11 AMGoing to sleep is not losing consciousness. I wake up quite often to write down an answer to a question I long forgot about or may have been thinking about before sleep. Every once in a while I may be trying to wake up but my body won't allow it and I sometimes will end up blasting myself awake and scaring the hell out of my wife. Losing consciousnesses would not allow for any of that.

As I said, when you're dreaming, you're conscious.

Matthew Hajicek

Quote from: beej on November 04, 2022, 10:38 AMyou live in a fantasy world, and it's not even a good fantasy.

I'm a realist.  I think most people simply can't handle the truth that their consciousness, their being, is simply an emergent phenomena of electrochemical reactions.

Incogneeto

Quote from: Del. on November 04, 2022, 01:40 PMWhat about farting in your sleep? Real or not?

I'll ask your Wife Tonight? ;D

Quote from: Del. on November 04, 2022, 01:40 PMI touched my Pepe' in my sleep. Not sure if I was conscious or unconscious.

"5" second rule.

But I'll scratch my balls for 20 minutes.....AAAaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!

"WUT"???? :o
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Incogneeto

Quote from: Newbeeeeâ„¢ on November 04, 2022, 02:34 PMThis subject is a WHOLE lotta head scratching....really interesting as it is the fundamental Q of who are we?
And how does it all work?
Elon has said some things about us being "the light".
And remember he does own neurolink, the brain implant company....

He was talkin bout Murricans" :)

We are "The Light"

Europeeans are just Test Dummies. ;)
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