Canada looking to offer euthanasia to Children

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TylerBeer

People trying to block euthanasia laws are assholes. Let other people live their own lives, and end it if they want to. I thought that was the conservative way?


Smit

Quote from: TylerBeer on December 06, 2022, 03:02 PMPeople trying to block euthanasia laws are assholes. Let other people live their own lives, and end it if they want to. I thought that was the conservative way?

Anybody who has lost somebody they loved to a horrible end like cancer will look at euthanasia differently than somebody who has not seen that suffering.

Keeping somebody on life support in a situation like that is not an act of kindness.
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Incogneeto

Quote from: Smit on December 06, 2022, 03:41 PMAnybody who has lost somebody they loved to a horrible end like cancer will look at euthanasia differently than somebody who has not seen that suffering.

Keeping somebody on life support in a situation like that is not an act of kindness.

Completely agree. This is situational and the government should not be involved. Doctor ,patient. Not conservative or liberal. If the outcome will be the same . I would prefer to make my choice in my time. and give my loved ones the same option.
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svnmlkdmf

Quote from: TylerBeer on December 06, 2022, 03:02 PMPeople trying to block euthanasia laws are assholes. Let other people live their own lives, and end it if they want to. I thought that was the conservative way?


Quote from: Smit on December 06, 2022, 03:41 PMAnybody who has lost somebody they loved to a horrible end like cancer will look at euthanasia differently than somebody who has not seen that suffering.

Keeping somebody on life support in a situation like that is not an act of kindness.

The left think tank isn't divided on this either I see,
not surprised...


Smit

Quote from: svnmlkdmf on December 06, 2022, 05:19 PMThe left think tank isn't divided on this either I see,
not surprised...

Hmmmm...the right don't bother to think team seems to be in solidarity also.  :whistle:

thad

Quote from: svnmlkdmf on December 06, 2022, 05:19 PMThe left think tank isn't divided on this either I see,
not surprised...

Who are you, faceless one?
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svnmlkdmf

Quote from: Smit on December 06, 2022, 06:09 PMHmmmm...the right don't bother to think team seems to be in solidarity also.  :whistle:

If u think back to the blm protests, I think gcode called me a dumb retard or a dumb troll or something because we didn't agree, so no, we don't agree on everything...


svnmlkdmf


YoDoug

Quote from: Smit on December 06, 2022, 03:41 PMAnybody who has lost somebody they loved to a horrible end like cancer will look at euthanasia differently than somebody who has not seen that suffering.

Keeping somebody on life support in a situation like that is not an act of kindness.

You speaking from experience? My father died a slow and painful death from cancer at 45 years of age. In six months he went from being extremely fit and healthy to looking like a 90 decrepit man. He lost 40% of his body weight and was in constant pain. He resisted pains meds for most of that 6 months because he didn't want to be high and miss out on interacting with his family. When the doctors said he should take the pain meds to be comfortable he said he lived like a man and he would die like a man. He was a tough son of a gun.

IMO, as far as life support, in most chronic medial situations like cancer, the patient should be the one to give the directions.

As far as euthanasia laws, I don't think most conservatives are against it. I think they have concerns over gov funding and government pushing or coercing people towards it. It should be a decision left up to patient/family/doctor.
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thad

Quote from: svnmlkdmf on December 07, 2022, 04:11 AMso what's up with you these days anyway?

Not much. Just livin' life. Going to work and paying the bills.
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gcode

Quote from: svnmlkdmf on December 07, 2022, 03:33 AMI think gcode called me a dumb retard or a dumb troll or something because we didn't agree, so no, we don't agree on everything...

I don't think I've ever called anyone a dumb retard or troll
I have on occasion called someone ignorant and suggested they educate themselves.
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neurosis

Quote from: YoDoug on December 07, 2022, 05:36 AMAs far as euthanasia laws, I don't think most conservatives are against it. I think they have concerns over gov funding and government pushing or coercing people towards it. It should be a decision left up to patient/family/doctor.

This is the problem that I have with it. It should never even be suggested as an alternative by a doctor and if the article(s) are accurate, that's what is happening.
I'll go back to being a conservative, when conservatives go back to being conservative.

beej

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Quote from: Smit on December 06, 2022, 03:41 PMAnybody who has lost somebody they loved to a horrible end like cancer will look at euthanasia differently than somebody who has not seen that suffering.

Keeping somebody on life support in a situation like that is not an act of kindness.

I have and I completely disagree!!!

My mom died of Ovarian Cancer it was very painful for her. My Dad died several years after a stroke left him paralyzed on the left side. They gave me the greatest gift of living through that suffering with dignity, that they could ever have given. they both showed me how to live a life of courage, convictions, grace and mercy through it.

but the problem is not just that a person should be free to choose. the problem comes from the fact that, that freedom to choose is just a stepping stone to the decision being made for you. Similar to the Abortion issue that I have talked about so much. where the mother of a pregnant daughter insists on her daughter getting an abortion against her will. It will also happen with assisted suicide. People will take the decision away from the afflicted and decide "they need to go". It will evolve from "He has suffered enough" to "I have suffered enough having to tend to him"

or even worse, the Government who pays for the healthcare, deciding "We've paid enough, he needs to go"
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