What are your thoughts on EV or Hybrid cars?

[mkd]

OK.

Japanese cars routinely form the majority on yearly 'safest cars' lists.

As for domestic, they usually only rate if it's a large SUV, so fair enough.

Not a dig on Telsa, they are proving to be very safe as well. But I doubt I'd fair any better in one than my wife's Lexus RX350 in a wreck.

You might reconsider that position after comparing these videos.
Other side crashes show deep penetration into the cabin on the Lexus.
I report, you decide.

 Rumor has it Tesla cabins were designed by actual rocket scientist from spaceX

[ghuns]

You might reconsider that position after comparing these videos.
Other side crashes show deep penetration into the cabin on the Lexus.
I report, you decide.

 Rumor has it Tesla cabins were designed by actual rocket scientist from spaceX

Thanks, but I'll take my chances in that same Lexus.

I don't know who is doing that testing or for what purpose, but what real world accident scenario will mimic that test?

You slid a car sideways into what amounts to an immovable blade. No shit, it's gonna be bad.

Even a full sideways slide into a 24" diameter tree at high speed won't be as bad as that.

Why not drop that same beam/blade setup directly over the drivers head and pronounce the car unsafe?

[mkd]

Thanks, but I'll take my chances in that same Lexus.

I don't know who is doing that testing or for what purpose, but what real world accident scenario will mimic that test?

You slid a car sideways into what amounts to an immovable blade. No shit, it's gonna be bad.

Even a full sideways slide into a 24" diameter tree at high speed won't be as bad as that.

Why not drop that same beam/blade setup directly over the drivers head and pronounce the car unsafe?

It's the exact scenario that killed a guy on gcode's commute last week.
exact!

no absolutes, just probabilities. Not sure if the test parameters were the same but to my eye one vehicle fared much better.
 not trying to throw sh!t back and fourth just posting which i think is important safety info compared to real life events.

[gcode]

I don't think any passenger vehicle would have faired well in that crash I saw Saturday
The driver's door hit the left rear corner of the firetruck's bumper at 60+(??) mph
The bumper of a firetruck is built like a tank and it hit the driver's door like the point of an arrow.
I'll bet they washed the blood of the bumper with a firehose and went back to work.
I think a Tesla would have done more damage to the firetruck due to the extra 1500 to 2000 pounds of batteries, but that wouldn't have made a dime's worth of difference to the driver of the car.

[mkd]

I've seen some youtube vids of knucklehead drivers on Tesla-cam (Whan-bam-tesla-cam channel)
 one rando tried to pit-manuver a Tesla. The weight and distribution thereof made the econo-box car bounce off and spinout into the ditch. lol

[YoDoug]

We launched a new company/product line at SEMA this year, www.CVFOFFROAD.com. HERE is a pic of my bosses 1 ton Ford with our new aftermarket bumper. His truck is a king cab, long bed, coal roller with a lift kit and 37" tires. It is a monster of a truck. I wouldn't want to be in the car that pulls out in front of him!

[TylerBeer]

We had heavy rain last weekend.
With a years worth of road oil on the freeway + all the drainage systems blocked from a couple of years of no use
the freeways were flooded slip-n-slides this weekend.
I saw 4 wrecks on the 12 mile drive from town to my offramp Saturday afternoon and 2 lanes flooded over three feet deep in one section.
If I hadn't gotten backed up by a minor wreck further west, I'd have been right in the middle of that fatality on my exit ramp
Idiots were still driving 70 to 80 through it all. I suspect the driver of that BMW would still be alive if his speed had been
appropriate for the conditions

^ Can confirm

[Tim Johnson]

Swerve....I remember when Lotus were developing their active suspension on their F1 car back in the day.
It was really sweet where driver would come in for a wheel change and driver would hit a button and the 4 wheels would (independent but at the same time) lift and drop the car flat on its belly.
Software bug....While testing, Johnny Herbert was flat out down the finish straight and one rear wheel lifted.
Without time to react with his foot still floored, the car turned 90 degrees and drove straight into the pit wall at around 160.
Swerve off....

Was that a Williams car? I've always wondered if their reactive suspension killed Senna. When he crashed my first thought was that there was no way he could have survived. My second was if the reactive suspension shut down.

[neurosis]

I guess those Teslas really are safe? 

Two children and two adults survive after Tesla plunges 250 feet off California cliff

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-children-two-adults-survive-tesla-plunges-250-feet-california-clif-rcna63999

Two adults and two children were rescued from a Tesla that plunged 250 feet off a cliff Monday morning in San Mateo County, California, officials said.

The car was traveling southbound on the Pacific Coast Highway when it went over the cliff at Devil's Slide, south of the Tom Lantos tunnel, and landed near the water's edge below, the Cal Fire San Mateo-Santa Cruz Unit said.

The car flipped and landed on its wheels in the fall, CAL FIRE/Coastside Fire Incident Commander Brian Pottenger said. Witnesses saw the accident and called 911.

[Tim Johnson]

Thanks Newbeeee.

[CNCAppsJames]

Thanks, but I'll take my chances in that same Lexus.

I don't know who is doing that testing or for what purpose, but what real world accident scenario will mimic that test?

You slid a car sideways into what amounts to an immovable blade. No shit, it's gonna be bad.

Even a full sideways slide into a 24" diameter tree at high speed won't be as bad as that.

Why not drop that same beam/blade setup directly over the drivers head and pronounce the car unsafe?

A lot of testing isn't indicative of a real world or LIKELY scenario. And let's face it, in some locales the "offset" test is the one people should be paying the most attention to (i.e. people that live in rural areas with lots of undivided roads and highways).

[CNCAppsJames]

I guess those Teslas really are safe? 

Two children and two adults survive after Tesla plunges 250 feet off California cliff

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/two-children-two-adults-survive-tesla-plunges-250-feet-california-clif-rcna63999

Just a theory; the weight distribution of the vehicle (2,000 lbs of batteries in the floor of a vehicle make for a much lower CG)  allowed it to careen down the cliff as opposed to an end over end situation that woudfl be likely with a typical ICE vehicle that would have been a near guaranteed 4 passengers DOA scenario.