Trump Guilty ! Or Not!

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YoDoug

#60
May 11, 2023, 08:10 AM
Quote from: neurosis on May 11, 2023, 07:15 AMOut of curiosity, where did you read that?  And what evidence was planted?

We have a pretty prominent Proud Boy locally (Ethan Nordean) and he's been in the local news quite a bit.  He's one fucked up individual. He sounds like the kind of guy who needs to be in prison.


I can't find it now but it was an interview with a lawyer for one of the Proud boys that had evidence that the FBI through undercover agents were responsible for all of the initiation of language in the Proud boys groups chats that talked of any illegal or "seditious" activity. Likewise there were Proud Boys that opposed this talk in their groups but the liberal judge wouldn't allow it at trial.
"In all my years here and on the old forum I have heard, and likely said, some pretty unhinged stuff. But congrats, you're the new leader in clubhouse."  - ghuns, 6/06/2025

YoDoug

#62
May 11, 2023, 08:27 AM
Quote from: RobertELee on May 11, 2023, 08:16 AMJust a bit crazy.

https://youtube.com/shorts/iekBCGF3mtk?feature=share

Yes she is, but that doesn't mean she couldn't be raped or assaulted. I don't believe Trump raped her. Could I believe that he came on to her and even went too far, sure if credible evidence and testimony was presented.
"In all my years here and on the old forum I have heard, and likely said, some pretty unhinged stuff. But congrats, you're the new leader in clubhouse."  - ghuns, 6/06/2025

neurosis

#63
May 11, 2023, 08:29 AM
Quote from: YoDoug on May 11, 2023, 08:10 AMI can't find it now but it was an interview with a lawyer for one of the Proud boys

I read that one of the attorneys made the claim but I can't find anything that proves the claim. Part of that same attorneys defense was that it was Trumps fault for inciting the riot in the first place. 

I'll go back to being a conservative, when conservatives go back to being conservative.

YoDoug

#64
May 11, 2023, 08:30 AM
Quote from: gcode on May 11, 2023, 06:46 AMIt's a proven plan too
The Dem's spent millions promoting the Republican Senate candidates Trump endorsed during the
primaries.
Most of them won their primary. 
Then they spent more millions tearing them down as Trumpian lunatics.
It worked too, Trump's candidates lost and they held the Senate.


So hypothetical question. Trump disappears tomorrow and MAGA dies off. Do you think they won't continue to do that with the next leader of whatever conservative movement pops up? This is the new MO of the dem party.
"In all my years here and on the old forum I have heard, and likely said, some pretty unhinged stuff. But congrats, you're the new leader in clubhouse."  - ghuns, 6/06/2025

YoDoug

#65
May 11, 2023, 08:31 AM Last Edit: May 11, 2023, 08:36 AM by YoDoug
Quote from: neurosis on May 11, 2023, 08:29 AMI read that one of the attorneys made the claim but I can't find anything that proves the claim. Part of that same attorneys defense was that it was Trumps fault for inciting the riot in the first place. 





If I was a lawyer defending a Proud boy I would point blame at any other person I could as well. It doesn't mean he/she believed it.

Remember, this is the same FBI that has been caught in lie after lie over the last decade, seth Rich laptop, Hunter Biden laptop, Russia collusion, Steele dossier, etc. It's not a stretch to believe they would entrap people and use the cover of liberal courts/judges to hide it.

Even more, with the release of the Twitter files a track record of the FBI's efforts to suppress the truth has been established.
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neurosis

#66
May 11, 2023, 08:36 AM
Quote from: YoDoug on May 11, 2023, 08:31 AMIf I was a lawyer defending a Proud boy I would point blame at any other person I could as well. It doesn't mean he/she believed it.

Going down the rabbit hole, Ethan Nordean was claiming to his boys that Trump shit all over them.

"We are now and always have been on our own. So glad he was able to pardon a bunch of degenerates as his last move and s--- on us on the way out," Nordean said in an expletive-laden message about the former president. "F--- you trump you left us on [t]he battle field bloody and alone."

It wouldn't surprise me if that defense was asked for.
I'll go back to being a conservative, when conservatives go back to being conservative.

gcode

#67
May 11, 2023, 09:21 AM Last Edit: May 11, 2023, 09:43 AM by gcode
Quote from: YoDoug on May 11, 2023, 08:30 AMSo hypothetical question. Trump disappears tomorrow and MAGA dies off. Do you think they won't continue to do that with the next leader of whatever conservative movement pops up? This is the new MO of the dem party.

In the eyes of the Dem's, Trump was so awful that any lie, any crime, any fake conclusion charges,
anything at all, was justified to impede his presidency and prevent his reelection.
They weaponized the media, the  FBI, CIA, DOJ and all the other alphabet agencies against Trump ( and the American people)
Their criminal scheme's worked and what was once an emergency action to obstruct Trump has become
business as usual.
They will continue to do things this way.  our democracy is over.
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Jim at Gentex

#68
May 11, 2023, 09:40 AM
Quote from: gcode on May 11, 2023, 07:55 AMThe only thing we don't know is who the cabal will pick to replace Biden and Harris



Hint: It rhymes with gruesome... :yes:
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They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain

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neurosis

#69
May 11, 2023, 09:52 AM
Quote from: Jim at Gentex on May 11, 2023, 09:40 AMHint: It rhymes with gruesome... :yes:

Ugh.. don't even say that.   lol. 
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I'll go back to being a conservative, when conservatives go back to being conservative.

Jim at Gentex

#70
May 11, 2023, 10:02 AM
Quote from: neurosis on May 11, 2023, 09:52 AMUgh.. don't even say that.   lol. 

LOL
He does appear to be next in the line of useful idiots, so yeah... :harhar:
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They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain

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gcode

#71
May 11, 2023, 10:10 AM
Gruesome really isn't a very good politician.
The only reason he's governor is that his family is rich and owns half
the politicians in California.

He made a big show of setting up a council to look into reparations
for slavery and oppression for black Californians.

They came back with recommendations for up to $1.2 million per black Californian
based on complex conditions and  formulas.
The total cost of this comes out to 3 times the current state budget... which is currently
$30 billion in the hole.
It will also require a huge new state bureaucracy to manage it and decide who is entitled to what.

If he back pedals he's going to alienate the black vote (which he needs to stay in power)
If he goes forward, he will bankrupt the state, accelerate the GTFO of California migration
and totally piss off every working tax paying Californian who still has a job.

It's kind of fun watching him twist and turn trying to escape a catastrophe of his own making.

The sad part is, no matter which way it goes they will turn Cali into a third world nation
by the time they are done

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ghuns

#72
May 11, 2023, 11:01 AM
So I am not a member of the Cult of Cheeto Jesus. I never voted for Trump. I find him to be a repugnant egomaniac who is generally unfit to hold any level of public office. I never bought any of the stop the steal BS.

BUT, I will say this, I don't EVER want to hear another lefty whine our Trump being a threat to our democracy. It may be true, but a threat is just a threat.

The ones who took real action against our democracy, the ones who actually conspired to change the results of an election, were Democrats doing so on behalf of Biden.

When the news of Hunter's laptop broke, it was they that pressured Twitter to remove the story. It was members of the Biden campaign who reached out to former intelligence officials to produce a letter declaring it 'Russian disinformation'. They then shopped it around to several Dem friendly media outlets before they found one who'd run with it.

Biden and his campaign new damn good and well the laptop was real. They undoubtedly had some notion that what was contained on it would be damaging to Biden. Trump was closing in the polls and the debate was coming. They enlisted the help of former, and possibly current, members of the CIA, the FBI, and the media to cast doubt on the authenticity of the laptop, to again claim Trump was colluding with the Russians, all to help push Biden to the win.

That's stealing an election.
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YoDoug

#73
May 11, 2023, 11:06 AM
Quote from: ghuns on May 11, 2023, 11:01 AMSo I am not a member of the Cult of Cheeto Jesus. I never voted for Trump. I find him to be a repugnant egomaniac who is generally unfit to hold any level of public office. I never bought any of the stop the steal BS.

BUT, I will say this, I don't EVER want to hear another lefty whine our Trump being a threat to our democracy. It may be true, but a threat is just a threat.

The ones who took real action against our democracy, the ones who actually conspired to change the results of an election, were Democrats doing so on behalf of Biden.

When the news of Hunter's laptop broke, it was they that pressured Twitter to remove the story. It was members of the Biden campaign who reached out to former intelligence officials to produce a letter declaring it 'Russian disinformation'. They then shopped it around to several Dem friendly media outlets before they found one who'd run with it.

Biden and his campaign new damn good and well the laptop was real. They undoubtedly had some notion that what was contained on it would be damaging to Biden. Trump was closing in the polls and the debate was coming. They enlisted the help of former, and possibly current, members of the CIA, the FBI, and the media to cast doubt on the authenticity of the laptop, to again claim Trump was colluding with the Russians, all to help push Biden to the win.

That's stealing an election.


You think they would do all that but somehow are above inserting enough fraudulent mail-in-votes in a handful of dem precincts in a handful of states to steal an election.
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ghuns

#74
May 11, 2023, 11:27 AM
Quote from: YoDoug on May 11, 2023, 11:06 AMYou think they would do all that but somehow are above inserting enough fraudulent mail-in-votes in a handful of dem precincts in a handful of states to steal an election.

The problem with grand conspiracies is that somebody always talks, as those "51 intelligence professionals" are doing now.

What they did can be rationalized and explained away by saying, well, it seemed like Russian disinformation to us. Getting caught will bear zero consequences.

Getting caught inserting enough fraudulent mail-in-votes in a handful of dem precincts in a handful of states would have serious consequences.
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