Trump says on Truth Social he’s been indicted in classified docs probe?

[JParis]

weaving a tale recorded conversation into an indictment

Fissed for you

[mkd]

Fissed for you

I don't remember, were you towing the same line in the russian collusion and Pee dossier, back in the day?

[CADCAM396]

One of my cousins (8th grade) had to attend a big assembly at school a few weeks ago. Sounds like the main focus was "hate speech". They got a list of common phrases and words they aren't allowed to use anymore because they may offend someone. "turned a blind eye" and the word "crazy" are a couple I can remember off the top of my head.

UMH? UMH? isnt this the fucking united states with like protection of free speech or sumtin like dat?
I know offensive language can and is discouraged but where the hell does it end?

[JParis]

I don't remember, were you towing the same line in the russian collusion and Pee dossier, back in the day?

Nope

I am not even towing a line now...I am trying to point out he has REAL problems this time.

[mowens]

After reading the indictment, it seems that his ego got the best of him again.

[mkd]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/06/14/tucker-carlson-on-trump-indictment-the-destruction-of-our-democracy-n1703126

Tucker continued, "The prosecution of Donald Trump is transparently political. He's literally Joe Biden's main political opponent. He's pulling over 60% among Republican voters right now. So Joe Biden is doing what no president has ever dared to do: He's using law enforcement to lock up his chief rival — that's happening right now, anyone who denies this happening is lying to you — but actually, it's worse than that. Trump's prosecution isn't just political, it's ideological. Nobody with Trump's views is allowed to have power in this country. Criticize our wars and you're disqualified. If you keep it up, we'll send you to prison. That's the message Washington is sending."

Trump continued, "Whatever else you say about him, Trump is the one guy with an actual shot at becoming president who dissents from Washington's long-standing pointless war agenda. And for that — that one fact — they are trying to take Trump out before you can vote for him."

The deep state is doing this to YOU. It's not about Trump or his towering ego.

the tree of liberty............

[ghuns]

According to Trump lawyers, the DOJ left out exculpatory evidence to the grand jury to get an indictment.

That's exactly how grand juries work. And why they choose to indict 95% of the time.

[JParis]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2023/06/14/tucker-carlson-on-trump-indictment-the-destruction-of-our-democracy-n1703126

The deep state is doing this to YOU. It's not about Trump or his towering ego.

the tree of liberty............

I dunno, perhaps you've missed where I've agreed with all of that above...it IS political theater......all of that however does not change the legal jeopardy in which Trump has placed himself....

 You guys can continue to try to color it any way you'd like, it doesn't change the situation...

[gcode]

where the hell does it end?

with blackshirt storm troopers beating the fuck out of "offenders"

or like is in China

everyone has a "social credit score"
if you don't have an adequate score, you can't travel, jobs available to you are restricted,
or you just can't work at all. Access to your bank account my be restricted or totally shut off.
Access to housing and where you may or may not live is determined by your social credit score.
If you score is too low you wind up in a work camp where your pay is one more day of life and enough
food to keep you able to work.

[mkd]

all of that however does not change the legal jeopardy in which Trump has placed himself....

utter BS

The security, ABC agencies and DOJ are all subordinate to the preeminent law enforcement official embodied in the highest office in the land as POTUS.
DOJ is straight up running an insurrection on we the people, just as Biden literally said that he would use his power to prevent another Trump presidency.

[Jim at Gentex]

It then becomes a problem with sharing those docs with people who aren't cleared to the see them...

If they are declassified, that is a moot point.
There is too much circular reasoning here, so I am hoping the courts can sort it all out.

My understanding of the Presidential Records Act is that there is a loosely enforced set of guidelines, but yeah, a President can basically declassify things at his own discretion.

From a NYT article:

Can presidents declassify matters directly?
Yes, because it is ultimately their constitutional authority.

Normally, presidents who want something declassified direct subordinates overseeing the department or agency with primary responsibility for the information to review the matter with an eye to making more of it public. But on rare occasions, presidents declassify something directly.

For example, in 2004, President George W. Bush himself declassified a portion of his presidential daily intelligence briefing from August 2001 — a month before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks — in which he had been warned: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."

Do presidents have to obey the usual procedures?
Even if it is true that Mr. Trump had pronounced the documents declassified while he was in office, he clearly did not follow the regular procedures. But there is no Supreme Court precedent that definitively answers whether that would make any difference.

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/14/us/politics/trump-classified-documents.html

So what GW Bush did was deemed a 'defacto declassification' because he discussed an item from a national security briefing in a public press conference.
Note that NOTHING was done to President Bush at the time, even though the Dems were calling for his head when that happened back in 2004.

It's no surprise the NYT is now all-in on the Trump indictment, even though this article from September 2022 seems to indicate that he was well within his authority to declassify the documents in question.

[neurosis]

utter BS

The security, ABC agencies and DOJ are all subordinate to the preeminent law enforcement official embodied in the highest office in the land as POTUS.
DOJ is straight up running an insurrection on we the people, just as Biden literally said that he would use his power to prevent another Trump presidency.

The point is, if Trump had just given the documents back when asked for, he wouldn't be in this mess.  Instead, he went out of his way to hide them and was caught red handed. He didn't have to be dealing with this right now. Just give the f-n documents back.

[mkd]

The point is, if Trump had just given the documents back when asked for, he wouldn't be in this mess.  Instead, he went out of his way to hide them and was caught red handed. He didn't have to be dealing with this right now. Just give the f-n documents back.

So says a federal agency tasked with preventing your ability to freely vote. The point is our constitutional republic.
 As the preeminent LEO he has every right to tell subordinate un-elected bureaucracies to pound sand.

[mkd]

surprised at how much deep state support there is here.
 The same deep state that blew JFK's head off and continues to cover it up.
The same federal apparatchik that tried to force every man women and child to take an experimental not-a-vax that was not only proved zero percent effective had a host of side effects, like death, and continues to cover it up.

[neurosis]

surprised at how much deep state support there is here. The same deep state that blew JFK's head off and continues to cover it up.

Nobody is supporting anything. That's just your immediate defensive response to someone saying that Trump was a moron.

They asked Trump for the documents several times. His attorney's said that they gave all of the documents back. It was a lie and they knew that it was a lie.

There is obviously a double standard when it comes to being held accountable and Trump, knowing that they had it out for him since 2016, still poked the bear. He should have been smarter than that.  I don't know if I'm saying that ironically?