Old age sucks

[YoDoug]

you forgot the M.D. at the end of his name.

His license was revoked for malpractice. Don't need to call him a doctor anymore.

[Jim at Gentex]

Studies show long term keto dramatically increases risk of pancreatitis, liver/kidney failure, etc. However, since the number one benefiter of the keto movement is big beef and big dairy, they have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to obfuscate that simple little truth. 

Yes, people who stay in the keto state 'long term' are misinformed.

Everyone else realizes that a 'reset' is necessary from time to time.
The YUGE upside to the keto 'diet' is the cheat days!
Everyone I know who has cut their intake of carbs and sugar and lost weight looks forward to that pizza or lasagna dinner once in a while. 

[Jim at Gentex]

Let's talk about something less volatile like how you should grill a steak. Jim, you start us off.

"Don't overcook that steak! What did it do to you?" - Emeril Lagasse

      

[YoDoug]

Yes, people who stay in the keto state 'long term' are misinformed.

Everyone else realizes that a 'reset' is necessary from time to time.
The YUGE upside to the keto 'diet' is the cheat days!
Everyone I know who has cut their intake of carbs and sugar and lost weight looks forward to that pizza or lasagna dinner once in a while. 

But that is the problem. If you eat a high fat and cholesterol diet but are not in Ketosis you will dramatically increase your bad blood markers and increase your risk for the associated diseases, CAD, heart disease, type II, etc. People think they are in ketosis all the time and they are not. So many people go keto, cut out sugar and refined grains, and lose weight so they think they are healthy but they are really loading up their arteries and heading for a heart attack.

[Jim at Gentex]

People think they are in ketosis all the time and they are not.

Well it's easy enough to check via blood, urine, and / or breath testing.
Part of any health strategy is monitoring, so for those who don't check their keto levels regularly, yes, they are putting themselves at risk.

But for those who do monitor their keto levels regularly, it's easy to see when you are in or out of ketosis.

Like anything else, moderation is the key.
Even in our 'cheat' periods, we don't go hog wild and consume anything in excess.

So far my wife and I have been in generally good health, and our docs see no problems in either of our bloodwork, so we are going to keep doing what we have been doing. 

[JParis]

But that is the problem. If you eat a high fat and cholesterol diet but are not in Ketosis you will dramatically increase your bad blood markers and increase your risk for the associated diseases, CAD, heart disease, type II, etc. People think they are in ketosis all the time and they are not. So many people go keto, cut out sugar and refined grains, and lose weight so they think they are healthy but they are really loading up their arteries and heading for a heart attack.

I can only speak to my experience....when I did this 2+ years ago, my numbers ALL got better, not worse.

a person's biology matters...

 

[Incogneeto]

It sure is an interesting conversation...

Now....the interesting thing is his wifey.. (I got her onto the Epley manoeuvre).
But now, ...she's off all her meds and is REALLY happy.

We are, what we eat....

 

You Furrenerrs sure have some funny Costumes.

[mkd]

But that is the problem. If you eat a high fat and cholesterol diet but are not in Ketosis you will dramatically increase your bad blood markers and increase your risk for the associated diseases, CAD, heart disease, type II, etc.

Fat is something you eat. Cholesterol is something your body makes. Don't conflate the two.
LDL cholesterol is made by metabolism for millions of years. If you think it's automatically blanketly bad per the 70 year old american establishment, you might want to reconsider just given the source. Composition of LDL, insulin levels and insulin resistance are far more important in my youtube education. lol?

[Incogneeto]

"Shot's Fired'!!

I love hearing both sides.

I'm trying to find a happy medium.

Cause I love Meat and Veggies.

My Ultrasound results came back and were quite surprising.

Actually it was pretty good other than a bit of Fatty Liver.

So Doc says "No Carbs"

Ok Pppppffffft.?

But seriously after the last 4 years I expected Liver,Kidney,Gall Bladder,Pancreas. !!!

Soo I am attempting a positive move. Not only medically but Financially and Life Changing moves.

I spent 45 years supporting mine and many others Children (7) others to be exact not including my (5) own.

Yep (12) and all I get is "hey Can you??"

Yes that is my fault cause I said Yes. Hard to turn down your kids.

But .....

I'm checking out. and it's my turn.

Will be fun to hear the response. as I preview my Beach /mountain/desert/Fun Pics.

[JParis]

Carbs in and of themselves aren't bad...it is which carbs you choose to eat...

Complex carbohydrates generally are broken down by the body into sugar.  I'm of the opinion that it's this part of the "American diet" that's the biggest culprit.

Whole grains and lean protein and certain fats your body takes time to break these down. This is better for your overall dietary health.

Again, speaking only for me,  now that I can move again,  my diet hasn't changed greatly since my 6/15 surgery but now that I'm walking again, I'm down 14 lbs.

Did I have a handful of Cheetos this week? Yes I did but balance between good diet and exercise can allow for small treats.

JM2C YMMV

[YoDoug]

Fat is something you eat. Cholesterol is something your body makes. Don't conflate the two.
LDL cholesterol is made by metabolism for millions of years. If you think it's automatically blanketly bad per the 70 year old american establishment, you might want to reconsider just given the source. Composition of LDL, insulin levels and insulin resistance are far more important in my youtube education. lol?

 I'm not conflating fat and cholesterol. Foods high in saturated fats can dramatically effect you cardiovascular system. Excess cholesterol can do the same. Slightly different mechanisms but similar results. they both contribute to  poor health. Also, you said it, your body will make all the cholesterol it needs. Taking in too much excess is the problem.

I don't disagree that other factors c effect individual health when it comes to weight, HDL/LDL, etc, but numbers and stats don't lie. There is a proven association of high cholesterol/excess weight and disease. I can easily show stats from all kinds of studies and populations around the world that show the link between high fat/high cholesterol and negative health outcomes. Yes there are some exceptions, but those are small numbers. You can listen to all the Youtube Shawn Baker quacks you want but they will not be able to post stats and numbers to back up their claims. The truth is the healthiest, longest living populations with the least amount of chronic diseases, throughout recorded history, eat the highest amounts of whole plant foods and the least animal and processed foods.

[mkd]

I'm not conflating fat and cholesterol. Foods high in saturated fats can dramatically effect you cardiovascular system. Excess cholesterol can do the same. Slightly different mechanisms but similar results. they both contribute to  poor health. Also, you said it, your body will make all the cholesterol it needs. Taking in too much excess is the problem.

I don't disagree that other factors c effect individual health when it comes to weight, HDL/LDL, etc, but numbers and stats don't lie. There is a proven association of high cholesterol/excess weight and disease. I can easily show stats from all kinds of studies and populations around the world that show the link between high fat/high cholesterol and negative health outcomes. Yes there are some exceptions, but those are small numbers. You can listen to all the Youtube Shawn Baker quacks you want but they will not be able to post stats and numbers to back up their claims. The truth is the healthiest, longest living populations with the least amount of chronic diseases, throughout recorded history, eat the highest amounts of whole plant foods and the least animal and processed foods.

Like the debate👍

Looking at large population studies, not stupid questionnaire studies, you will see that all cause mortality goes way down with higher cholesterol levels. .
 That's an inconvenient fact for man boobed vegans. 😂 Sorry just being funny.

[Smit]

Last I heard the Tibetan monks consumed a nearly starvation diet were the longest lived (on average) population in the world.

I don't they fared as well in the quality of life inde though.

[Tim Johnson]

The truth is the healthiest, longest living populations with the least amount of chronic diseases, throughout recorded history, eat the highest amounts of whole plant foods and the least animal and processed foods.

My paternal grandfather lived mostly on deer, bear and leafy veggies (when in season). He finished building his last house at 100 years old and died at 110.

[YoDoug]

Looking at large population studies, not stupid questionnaire studies, you will see that all cause mortality goes way down with higher cholesterol levels. .

Can't decide if you're serious or if you are trolling. The largest and longest population study ever done, The China study, had very low cholesterol levels. The study showed the lower the animal product intake, the lower the cholesterol, lower chronic disease, and lower all cause mortality.