Climate Experts Criticize Alarmist Rhetoric Over Summer Temperatures

[Tim Johnson]

In the 60's and 70's they were talking about the impending new ice-age that was going to come if we didn't do something.

The hottest summer on record in the US is still 1936.

We have to do something means "Fear feeds our family."

[beej]

we had about 5 days a couple of weeks ago where the temperature hovered around 100deg and it's been a dry summer here. Climate change talk has been everywhere on local news. Since then the temps have been back in the 80's and we've got quite a bit of rain. things have greened up.  So now I'm wondering if that means climate change is over.

being facetious of course. I know the difference between weather and climate. The news people always remind me the difference between weather and climate when a cold front comes through.

[RobertELee]

How about me skiing? We used to have great snow in the 70's where I lived. It's so warm now that I sold my snow blower because the snow is usually too wet to blow effectively. Oh and about the heat. As a kid living in Florida I used to have to wear long sleeve flannel shirts in the summer because I would burn thru a tee-shirt. Yikes!

And half of the country was once covered in a mile thick glacier, oHhHhHh mEr gOd iTs cLiMaTe cHaNgE!!!!!!!!

[Incogneeto]

The Q is why did that melt SOOOO fast?
The youngerdryas is a thing, the ice rapidly melted is a thing.
Unsure of the meteor impact idea as where's all the craters?
But wadabout pole shift?

Mastodon Farts.

Warmed the Earth Kinda Like Cow Farts Now.

[ghuns]

Could you imagine what the climate cultists, like that little Swedish bitch, would be like if they'd lived through the dustbowl years of the 1930's?

[gcode]

the dustbowl years of the 1930's?

It's accepted fact that the Dust Bowl was man made climate change caused by poor farming practices.
I don't know if it's actually true. I was taught that from childhood and never questioned it.

[RobertELee]

It's accepted fact that the Dust Bowl was man made climate change caused by poor farming practices.
I don't know if it's actually true. I was taught that from childhood and never questioned it.

There was a severe drought at the time, nobody can argue that. But it was exacerbated by improper farming techniques that allowed the wind to erode the dry topsoil much easier, which forced dust into the air.

[beej]

There was a severe drought at the time, nobody can argue that. But it was exacerbated by improper farming techniques that allowed the wind to erode the dry topsoil much easier, which forced dust into the air.

They call it improper farming techniques.  Farmers tilled up land that had previously been sod, planting wheat, corn and soybeans. what they were doing there is no different than what is still happening today across nebraska, iowa, illinois and northern Missouri. If we had the kind of drought today, we would have the same scenario. In fact we did have a small version of it near Springfield Illinois that caused a 72 car pile up, this past spring. Nobody at the time referred to that as improper farming techniques. It was just extremely high straight line winds during spring planting. If the beans, corn or wheat grow, the dirt stays put.

[CNCAppsJames]

Funny thing how mankind's knowledge base keeps expanding, sometimes discarding things long thought to be true. 

What's really funny is how the the huge ball of fire in the sky and a number of active volcanoes get a vote on the earth's climate and nobody talks about that.

[ghuns]

They call it improper farming techniques.  Farmers tilled up land that had previously been sod, planting wheat, corn and soybeans. what they were doing there is no different than what is still happening today across nebraska, iowa, illinois and northern Missouri. If we had the kind of drought today, we would have the same scenario. In fact we did have a small version of it near Springfield Illinois that caused a 72 car pile up, this past spring. Nobody at the time referred to that as improper farming techniques. It was just extremely high straight line winds during spring planting. If the beans, corn or wheat grow, the dirt stays put.

Modern farming techniques, especially 'no-till', have greatly reduced the risk of this happening again.

When was the last time you saw a traditional plow turning over a field?

[beej]

Modern farming techniques, especially 'no-till', have greatly reduced the risk of this happening again.

When was the last time you saw a traditional plow turning over a field?

Most farmers that I know use chisel plows and discs with rolling harrows when planting corn. but the vast majority use no-till for soybeans and wheat.

[RobertELee]

They call it improper farming techniques.  Farmers tilled up land that had previously been sod, planting wheat, corn and soybeans. what they were doing there is no different than what is still happening today across nebraska, iowa, illinois and northern Missouri. If we had the kind of drought today, we would have the same scenario. In fact we did have a small version of it near Springfield Illinois that caused a 72 car pile up, this past spring. Nobody at the time referred to that as improper farming techniques. It was just extremely high straight line winds during spring planting. If the beans, corn or wheat grow, the dirt stays put.

Did those straight line winds last for months? The difference between then and now is they used to go downhill/parallel with the plow to create the furrow, they now go perpendicular to the hill to prevent water from flowing away. They don't till as deep if at all. They literally stripped millions of acres of grass and prairie and left nothing to slow the wind. The government came in and planted 200+million trees afterward to create lines of buffers to slow the wind. We also have irrigation on a good portion of farmland as well.

[beej]

Did those straight line winds last for months?

No. that's my point. They lasted for about a week. corn seed was blown out of the ground. but if the heat\drought conditions of the 1930's happened today, I'm telling ya, the result would be about the same. I don't know where you live, but take a look on Google Earth at Western Iowa for example, or Nebraska. You can drive for miles there and never see a tree. If you do see a tree, it's planted near a farm house, but that's it. There are a few more trees in Illinois where that dust storm occurred, but not a lot.   I live in Missouri. The fields here are 4 times the size of the fields were when I was growing up on a farm in the 1970's. Tree lines have been bulldozed down. In the 1930's people were farming with tricycle 40 hp tractors. Now they farm with 300hp tractors on trax pulling 40 feet chisel plows. They need big fields.

If a prolonged drought cycle in the upper midwest happened like it happened to oklahoma and texas in those days, the result would be the same. the crops would not grow. bare ground would be exposed and dust storms could be devastating. What I'm saying is, if someone thinks, "oh but those farmers back then..." Those farmers didn't do anything different than what you see today.

[Tim Johnson]

South pole map without ice in the year 1513

[Tim Johnson]

What's really funny is how the the huge ball of fire in the sky and a number of active volcanoes get a vote on the earth's climate and nobody talks about that.

There's no money in it.