Microbiologist debunks RFK's claims made on JRE poscast.

Started by neurosis, August 10, 2023, 12:18 PM

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Curious what some of the RFK followers (not as in cult follow, but listen to and read) think about this.

I was a little skeptical but he does list where he gets all of his information. And he is a microbiologist, not an attorney making claims about things he doesn't understand.  Ok, that was a cheap shot.  :D 



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Quote from: CNCAppsJames on August 10, 2023, 04:11 PMAOC is a degreed economist so there's that...

I mean, he does cite his work so you can check the validity of his criticisms.  One of those "don't take my word for it" things.
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The veracity of his statements carry WAY more water than most. I was just stirrin' the pot. 

Carry on. 

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Quote from: CNCAppsJames on August 10, 2023, 07:48 PMThe veracity of his statements carry WAY more water than most. I was just stirrin' the pot.

Carry on.

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There are some things that he say's that I don't care for. He gets a little catty.

I do like that he posts links to every study that he references. 
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Quote from: Newbeeee™ on August 11, 2023, 04:17 AMThe trouble is with all this "citing of data", is it all made up BS?

Are the studies b/s when RFK Jr cites them?  Or only when someone cites studies that prove him wrong?
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Quote from: neurosis on August 11, 2023, 04:23 AMAre the studies b/s when RFK Jr cites them?  Or only when someone cites studies that prove him wrong?

Geez. Only when someone cites studies that prove him wrong, obviously.

Quit being a fear monger.  :lol:
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Quote from: Smit on August 11, 2023, 05:21 AMGeez. Only when someone cites studies that prove him wrong, obviously.

I had to ask. I've seen studies posted to prove that he's right.  :D  Although, this guy points out that he misinterprets some of the studies he uses to make his case. 
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Quote from: neurosis on August 11, 2023, 04:23 AMAre the studies b/s when RFK Jr cites them?  Or only when someone cites studies that prove him wrong?

The thing with studies is they are very subjective and often fairly inconclusive. Studies can also be designed to get specific results. You often see study summaries that don't match the actual details in them. It's kind of like liberal fact check sites, they cherry pick and misrepresent opinions as facts.

There is a famous study that the egg board ran as an effort to justify eggs as good, or at least not bad. They constructed a diet for three groups, a meat eater group, egg eater group, and a plant based group. Because eggs are so full of saturated fat and cholesterol they wanted all the diets the same in content. They ended up making the plant based eat a half cup of coconut oil every day. Who the F would eat a half cup of coconut oil a day. All three diets had participants at saturation levels for daily cholesterol/saturated fat intake. Then adding an egg a day on top of that barely showed a change in blood work. All of the diets would put most people at extreme risk for heart disease or other, but they wrote the summary that adding an egg a day had minimal effect of health and claimed eggs were not bad. This study has been cited hundreds, if not thousands of times as a justification for eating eggs and it is complete falsified BS paid for by big corps.

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neurosis

Quote from: YoDoug on August 11, 2023, 05:53 AM. It's kind of like liberal fact check sites, they cherry pick and misrepresent opinions as facts.


You mean, like RFK Jr does?   :lol:  He conveniently picks studies that support his theory, while ignoring 100's of others that disprove them. 

When you hang your hat on a single study when there are literally 100's of others refuting your data, I'd have to lean toward the 100's of others? 

My point is, if you're going to support something using a study, and then claim that they are useless, how can you possibly get behind any scientific data? At that point you're just feeding your confirmation bias. 
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Quote from: Newbeeee™ on August 11, 2023, 06:04 AMOr to cite a recent study regarding Ivermectin - setup to fail!


have there been any studies proving that ivermectin has a positive affect on Covid?
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Quote from: YoDoug on August 11, 2023, 05:53 AMThere is a famous study that the egg board ran

Remember back when there was a commercial that said something like "Eggs aren't as high in cholesterol as previously thought".
I think that's when people were saying that eggs were bad for you.


I remember thinking "previously THOUGHT??  How about we find out for certain lol.
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Quote from: neurosis on August 11, 2023, 06:16 AMhave there been any studies proving that ivermectin has a positive affect on Covid?

Ask the people that took it and felt better almost immediately.
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Quote from: Jeff on August 11, 2023, 06:20 AMAsk the people that took it and felt better almost immediately.


When I had covid I immediately felt better after having a few cocktails.  That must mean that the cocktails were an effective covid treatment?  :D 

Sorry for the sarcasm.  But that is actually a true statement.  lol. 

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Quote from: neurosis on August 11, 2023, 06:26 AMThat must mean that the cocktails were an effective covid treatment?  :D

Cocktails are an effective treatment for a lot of things.

A wise man named Homer Simpson once said "Alcohol, the cause of, and solution to all of life's problems"
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