Misinformation police

[beej]

[mkd]

we should all adopt Smit's reticence on what is plainly obvious and ignore the 60 year old footage of the top of JFK's cranium hitting the pavement and the ridiculous fact patterns surrounding that. Even Trump wouldn't release the actual files as ordered by Congress. Same cover-up fact patterns on the laptop from hell and J6 hollywood soap opera.
Believe......

[beej]

Smit, Is this email specific enough for you?

https://www.scribd.com/document/480001185/Email-from-Vadim-Pozharskyi-to-Devon-Archer-and-Hunter-Biden#

[Smit]

Smit, Is this email specific enough for you?

https://www.scribd.com/document/480001185/Email-from-Vadim-Pozharskyi-to-Devon-Archer-and-Hunter-Biden#

An email to Devon and Hunter?

Ok. What do you think it means?

[Smit]

You wouldn't believe it anyway no matter how much evidence there is.

Well if it's coming from a hard core right winger who gets it from a right wing "news" source I'm going to be extremely skeptical. But give it a try with real evidence and we'll see how it goes.  Republicans haven't tried that yet. 🙄

[beej]

An email to Devon and Hunter?

Ok. What do you think it means?

so, I don't know, but it sure looks like, one month after Burisma hired Archer and Biden, Vadym Pozarsky sent an email asking them for help with a prosecuting attorney. the same prosecuting attorney that was fired at the behest of Hunter's dad a few months later. Now US news reports say that he wasn't even prosecuting Burisma. That's why Joe wanted him fired. You believe that? This email says something different. Archer confirmed that the events around this time were true.

Archer also testified to Congress that the consensus around Burisma was that Prosecutor Shokin was "handled." 2 months before Shokin was fired he seized 4 homes belonging to Mykola Zlochevsky. So maybe his handle came undone. (that link is from the Kyiv Post. I don't know if they are far right wing news or not.)

Archer, in an interview with Tucker Carlson, was pressed to elaborate on what it meant when they said that Shokin was "handled." He said, Who knows for sure. This isn't a game of checkers it's a chess game with multiple levels.

OK so to simplify for you, because I know you are a simple guy.
Burisma hires Archer and Biden to the board
pozarsky sends an email to Biden and Archer complaining about a prosecutor
Archer confirms that Burisma wanted Help from "DC" with their problems and pressed them often for that help
Archer confirms that at a meeting with zlochevsky, he told Hunter about some problems with the prosecutor and and told him to get "DC" on the phone.
Hunter and Zlochevsky step away while Hunter called someone in DC.
1 month later, Joe Biden went to infamous trip to Ukraine where he made a speech before their congress about the need to clean up corruption. But privately told their president that Shokin had to go!
Shokin was fired.

Archer in the Tucker Carlson interview, said, "I know what this looks like. At the time it really didn't feel nefarious. But now looking at the paper trail, I see what everybody else sees. It looks bad on paper."

Archer comes across in the interview as a really likable guy. I don't know if he is a bad guy or not. He seemed to me like he's a little bit gullible but maybe that's what he was hoping to look like in the interview.  One thing that really stuck out to me was when he said, "the sun can really help you but if you get too close to the sun you get burnt. I got too close to the sun."

complain if you want to about lack of evidence. lack of specifics. what ever. My guess is, this isn't really all the interesting to you, so you're not following the story and therefore you might be unaware of evidence or specifics. I hope this helps.

also you have complained about a lack of specifics a lot since post #44. But it seems like you are ignoring "specific" posts.

[beej]

https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/



Since taking the gavel in January, the Committee on Oversight and Accountability has accelerated its investigation of the Biden family's domestic and international business practices to determine whether the Biden family has been targeted by foreign actors, President Biden is compromised, and our national security is threatened. Records obtained through the Committee's subpoenas to date reveal that the Bidens and their associates have received over $20 million in payments from foreign entities.

Below is a timeline that details key dates in our investigation.

The main points of interest are:

1) Romania: On September 28, 2015, Vice President Biden welcomed Romanian President Klaus Iohannis to the White House. Within five weeks of this meeting, a Romanian businessman involved with a high-profile corruption prosecution in Romania, Gabriel Popoviciu, began depositing a Biden associate's bank account, which ultimately made their way into Biden family accounts. Popoviciu made sixteen of the seventeen payments, totaling over $3 million, to the Biden associate account while Joe Biden was Vice President.  Biden family accounts ultimately received approximately $1.038 million.  The total amount from Romania to the Biden family and their associates is over $3 million.

2) China- CEFC: On March 1, 2017—less than two months after Vice President Joe Biden left public office—State Energy HK Limited, a Chinese company, wired $3 million to a Biden associate's account. This is the same bank account used in the above "Romania" section. After the Chinese company wired the Biden associate account the $3 million, the Biden family received approximately $1,065,692 over a three-month period in different bank accounts. Additionally, the CEFC Chairman gives Hunter Biden a diamond worth $80,000. Lastly, CEFC creates a joint venture with the Bidens in the summer of 2017.  The timeline lays out the "WhatsApp" messages and subsequent wires from the Chinese to the Bidens of $100,000 and $5 million. The total amount from China, specifically with CEFC and their related entities, to the Biden family and their associates is over $8 million.

3) China- Bohai Harvest RST Equity Investment Fund Management Co., Ltd. (BHR): More information will be provided in our upcoming Fourth Bank Memorandum.

4) Kazakhstan: On April 22, 2014, Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakhstani oligarch used his Singaporean entity, Novatus Holdings, to wire one of Hunter Biden's Rosemont Seneca entities $142,300. The very next day—April 23, 2014—the Rosemont Seneca entity transferred the exact same amount of money to a car dealership for a car for Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden and Devon Archer would represent Burisma in Kazakhstan in May/June of 2014 as the company attempted to broker a three-way deal among Burisma, the Kazakhstan government, and a Chinese state-owned energy company.

5) Ukraine: Devon Archer joined the Burisma board of directors in spring of 2014 and was joined by Hunter Biden shortly thereafter.  Hunter Biden joined the company as counsel, but after a meeting with Burisma owner Mykola Zlochevsky in Lake Como, Italy, was elevated to the board of directors in the spring of 2014.  Both Biden and Archer were each paid $1 million per year for their positions on the board of directors.  In December 2015, after a Burisma board of directors meeting, Zlochevsky and Hunter Biden "called D.C." in the wake of mounting pressures the company was facing.  Zlochevsky was later charged with bribing Ukrainian officials with $6 million in an attempt to delay or drop the investigation into his company.  The total amount from Ukraine to the Biden family and their associates is $6.5 million.

6) Russia: On February 14, 2014, a Russian oligarch and Russia's richest woman, Yelena Baturina, wired a Rosemont Seneca entity $3.5 million.  On March 11, 2014, the wire was split up: $750,000 was transferred to Devon Archer, and the remainder was sent to Rosemont Seneca Bohai, a company Devon Archer and Hunter Biden split equally.  In spring of 2014, Yelena Baturina joined Hunter Biden and Devon Archer to share a meal with then-Vice President Biden at a restaurant in Washington, D.C.  The total amount from Russia to the Biden family and their associates is $3.5 million.

Beyond this timeline, here are links to our First, Second, and Third Bank Memorandums that provide detailed descriptions and show actual bank records and wires.

    Biden Family Timeline
    China – BHR
    China- CEFC
    Hunter Biden Criminal Investigation
    Kazakhstan
    Romania
    Ukraine

2009
January 20, 2009
Important Date

Obama-Biden Administration begins.
2013
November 1, 2013
China – BHR

Hunter Biden, business associate, and Chinese investors agree to create Bohai Harvest RST Equity Investment Fund Management Co., Ltd. (BHR), an investment fund controlled by the Bank of China, to focus on mergers and acquisitions, and investment in and reforms of state-owned enterprise.
December 4, 2013
China – BHR
China – BHR

Vice President Biden travels with Hunter Biden on Air Force 2 to China and meets CEO of BHR, Jonathan Li. Shortly thereafter, BHR's business license was approved and Hunter Biden was a board member.
2014
February 5, 2014
Kazakhstan
Kazakhstan

Kenes Rakishev, a Kazakhstani businessman, meets with Hunter Biden at a hotel in Washington, D.C.
April 15, 2014
Ukraine

Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company, appoints Biden business associate to their board of directors.
April 22, 2014
Kazakhstan

Kenes Rakishev's Singaporean company wires $142,300 through his Latvian company to a Rosemont entity.
April 22, 2014
Ukraine

Vice President Biden travels to Ukraine and gives an anti-corruption speech.
April 23, 2014
Kazakhstan

The Rosemont entity wires $142,300 to a car dealership in New Jersey for a new sports car for Hunter Biden.
May 12, 2014
Romania

Burisma announces Hunter Biden joined its board of directors.
May 21, 2014
Romania

Vice President Biden visits Romania and delivers a speech to the Romanian Prime Minister, judges, prosecutors, and leaders of the Romanian Parliament.
September 12, 2014
China – BHR

BHR invests $1.7 billion in CCP-linked petroleum and chemical company.
December 9, 2014
China – BHR

Hunter Biden and business associate invest $484,920 into BHR.
December 22, 2014
Kazakhstan

Kenes Rakishev's Kazakhstani oil company and Burisma join with a CCP-linked company and announce a transnational financial arrangement.
2015
March 20, 2015
Ukraine

Hunter Biden organizes a business dinner at Café Milano in Washington, D.C. where he has his father to stop by the dinner to meet a high level Burisma official, Vadym Pozharskyi.
September 1, 2015
China – BHR

BHR joins with a CCP-linked entity to acquire US-based Henniges Automotive in a deal reportedly worth $600 million.
September 28, 2015
Romania
Romania

Vice President Biden welcomes Romanian President Klaus Iohannis to the White House. A readout of the meeting states, the "Vice President welcomed President Iohannis' focus on anti-corruption efforts and rule of law as a means to strengthen national security and promote greater investment and economic growth."  President Iohannis said the Vice President "voiced satisfaction over Romania's progress with the fight against corruption."
November 2, 2015
Ukraine

Vadym Pozharskyi suggests high level U.S. level officials come to Ukraine and talk with Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin and President Petro Poroshenko about Mykola Zlochevsky's investigations. Prosecutor General Shokin was investigating Burisma and Burisma's owner, Zlochevsky for fraud. Prosecutor General Shokin is the Ukranian government official Vice President Biden demanded Poroshenko fire.
November 5, 2015
Romania

Romanian businessman, Gabriel Popoviciu, begins making deposits into Robinson Walker, LLC's bank account. Robinson Walker, LLC is an entity owned by a Biden associate, Rob Walker. Popoviciu's company sent Robinson Walker the first wire for $179,836.86. From November 2015 to May 2017, Popoviciu's company paid Robinson Walker, LLC over $3 million.  Biden family accounts received approximately $1.038 million from the Robinson Walker, LLC account after Popoviciu's deposits. Sixteen of the seventeen payments from Popoviciu's company to Robinson Walker, LLC were made while Joe Biden was Vice President.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
November 6, 2015
Ukraine
Ukraine

Amos Hochstein, a high level U.S. government offical working in the Obama-Biden Administration, meets with Hunter Biden and discusses Burisma.
November 11, 2015
Romania

Rob Walker's account wires Hunter Biden $59,900.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
November 11, 2015
Ukraine

Amos Hochstein meets with Vice President Biden in the West Wing.
November 12, 2015
Ukraine

Amos Hochstein calls Hunter Biden.
November 13, 2015
Romania

Hunter Biden travels to Romania to meet with the U.S. Ambassador to Romania.
November 13, 2015
Ukraine

Vice President Biden announces trip to Ukraine to take place the first week of December 2015.
November 14, 2015
Ukraine

Vadym Pozharskyi emails Hunter Biden confirmation that the Vice President will be traveling to Ukraine.
December 7, 2015
China – CEFC
China – CEFC

Hunter Biden and CEFC Chairman Ye Jianming begin communicating regarding a possible U.S. partnership.
December 7, 2015
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $59,725.
December 7, 2015
Ukraine

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Vice President Biden arrives in Ukraine, where he demands Prosecutor General Shokin be fired if Ukraine wants $1 billion in International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans.
December 9, 2015
Ukraine
Ukraine

Vice President Biden departs Ukraine and gets a commitment from President Poroshenko that Prosecutor General Shokin will be fired.
December 17, 2015
Ukraine

Vice President Biden hosts a holiday party at the Vice Presidential residence, which Amos Hochstein and Hunter Biden both attend.
December 23, 2015
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $60,091.24.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
2016
January 20, 2016
Ukraine
Ukraine

Vice President Biden meets with President Poroshenko in Switzerland at the World Economic Forum where Biden reinforced the linkage between the loan guarantee and the necessary reforms.
February 4, 2016
Ukraine

Mykola Zlochevsky gives Hunter Biden unspecified, extravagant birthday gifts.
February 11, 2016
Ukraine

Vice President Biden and President Poroshenko conduct a call.
February 12, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden's Owasco P.C. $61,126.24.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
February 16, 2016
Ukraine

President Poroshenko asks Prosecutor General Shokin to resign.
February 18, 2016
Ukraine

Vice President Biden calls President Poroshenko to thank him for calling on Prosecutor General Shokin to resign.
February 19, 2016
Ukraine

President Poroshenko says he recieved Prosecutor General Shokin's letter of resignation.
March 24, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $61,816.05.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
March 29, 2016
Romania
Romania

Hunter Biden meets again with U.S. Ambassador to Romania.
March 29, 2016
Ukraine

Ukranian Parliament approves President Poroshenko's firing of Prosecutor General Shokin.
May 23, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $123,830.80.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
May 23, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $53,419.74.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
July 11, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $116,860.93.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
August 31, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $20,000.00.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
September 22, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $32,092.81.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
September 29, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $20,000.00.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
October 11, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Owasco P.C. $41,638.12.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.
November 1, 2016
China – BHR

BHR agrees to purchase Lundin Mining Corp's minority stake in African cobalt/copper mine Tenke Fungurume Mining S.A. for $1.14 billion.
November 15, 2016
Romania

Robinson Walker, LLC wires Hunter Biden $122,179.

Details can be found in the Second Bank Records Memorandum.

[RobertELee]

https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/



Since taking the gavel in January, the Committee on......

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[neurosis]

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I went to read that and my eyes blurred. 

[mkd]

I don't know why nobody talks about specifics. Only generalizations.          

[Smit]

Archer, in an interview with Tucker Carlson

Archer in the Tucker Carlson interview

complain if you want to about lack of evidence. lack of specifics. what ever. My guess is, this isn't really all the interesting to you, so you're not following the story and therefore you might be unaware of evidence or specifics. I hope this helps.

also you have complained about a lack of specifics a lot since post #44. But it seems like you are ignoring "specific" posts.

Alright you posted something specific so we'll address that.

If you want to convince anybody who's not a far right conspiracy theorist of anything at all you should consider leaving Tucker Carlson all the way out of it. You typically have much better sources than the far right and conspiracy people have.

But to your point, yes, I've read Archer's testimony from other places. There is little doubt that the meetings mentioned did happen. Coffee, golf, etc etc.

That Shokin was fired because of Burisma might please you to hear but it's not proven fact even though right wing sites continue to act like it is.

Below is a link to the GOP report. It produced nothing new and no proof the Joe Biden provided influence to help his son's business dealings.

gop report on Burisma

Since that was a dud it seems the GOP decided they don't need evidence to proceed. Link below.

Comer Releases Third Bank Memo Detailing Payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine

I'll repeat...did Hunter Biden try to use the family name for profit? He did. Distateful yes, illegal no.

I doubt the GOP is withholding evidence that Biden is guilty because they don't want to play games with a sitting president so I have to assume they don't have any. If they do, produce it. We'll see it in court.

The God fearing people can just take it on faith but the courts demand more. 

[beej]

Below is a link to the GOP report. It produced nothing new and no proof the Joe Biden provided influence to help his son's business dealings.

When you say nothing new, could you be more specific? How long have you known about this stuff. Since before the 2020 election?

In 2020 the reports were that Shokin was not even investigating Burisma. The congressional report details otherwise. Nobody told us that Shokin had seized 4 of his houses. Nobody told us that Shokin's replacement dropped the charges against Burisma.

In 2020 Biden said he never even talked to his son about his business dealings. In 2020 Fact checkers said that Joe Biden never met with Burisma officials in any capacity. That congressional report shows that he did in fact have dinner with them, played golf with them, talked to them on speaker phone.

That report shows that there were 9 different Bidens receiving money to their accounts. while all off the accounts used specific names, such as Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Hallie Biden, one is only called "Biden". You knew about that in 2020? I doubt that. I've followed it pretty close. I didn't hear about that until after the 2022 election.

Maybe democrats knew about all of this information when they were impeaching Trump for that Ukrainian phone call. Maybe that's why democrats keep saying it nothing new. I dunno.

[Smit]

Maybe.

Maybe.

Hope that clears it up.

You guys can keep chasing this stuff around the right wing media if it amuses you. I'm no longer amused.

Let's see what the Trump appointed special counsel comes up with.

When there is something the Republicans can take Joe Biden to court for (that isn't tossed out for lack of merit) I'll be more interested. Until then I regard it as playing dirty political games in preparation for the 2024 election.

[beej]

@Smit, I have one other question. Do you think that Hunter should be imprisoned for failing to register under the FARA? Doesn't it seem pretty clear that he was lobbying the US as a foreign agent?

[beej]

Let's see what the Trump appointed special counsel comes up with.

careful now, you mouse is hovering over that whataboutism button you keep talking about.