Cali's Assault Weapons ban declared unconstitutional

gcode · October 19, 2023, 05:29 PM

QuoteSAN DIEGO, CA (October 19, 2023) – Today, Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) announced that Judge Roger T. Benitez of the Southern District of California has issued an opinion in Miller v. Bonta, once again holding that California's ban on so-called "assault weapons" is unconstitutional under the Second Amendment. The opinion, which can be viewed at AssaultWeaponLawsuit.com, comes after the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals remanded the lawsuit back to the district court in light of the Supreme Court's NYSRPA v. Bruen decision.

"The American tradition is rich and deep in protecting a citizen's enduring right to keep and bear common arms like rifles, shotguns, and pistols," wrote Judge Benitez in his opinion. "However, among the American tradition of firearm ownership, there is nothing like California's prohibition on rifles, shotguns, and handguns based on their looks or attributes. Here, the 'assault weapon' prohibition has no historical pedigree and it is extreme."

Still a long way to go, but it's a start

CNCAppsJames · October 19, 2023, 10:29 PM

Stack up Gavin!

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Jeff · October 20, 2023, 04:41 AM

Until those morons stop using that term, they will continue to try and ban them.

YoDoug · October 20, 2023, 05:26 AM

Biden's 87000 armed, and urban assault trained IRS agents, are specifically designed to take your guns. The idea has been floated many times of taxing gun ownership. The neo-con SCOTUS will side with the lib SCOTUS that a tax doesn't infringe 2A rights. The same as the reasoning for letting Obamacare stand. The tax will be so high that most will have to surrender their guns or face the armed IRS squads. I'm not exactly sure on the timing though. A move like this is/could be a tipping point for mass civil unrest. They will not do this until they are forced. If the election fraud in 2024 becomes so evident that the majority of people are ready for someone to take action, they will come after the guns.

Jim at Gentex · October 20, 2023, 05:52 AM

Dammit Doug!!

Why do you have to be right all of the time?

Seriously though, I think your analysis is spot on.
Anyone who can't see more election fuckery on the horizon for 2024 just isn't in touch with reality.

Shit may get VERY real VERY quickly, so we all need to stay informed and stay frosty.

YoDoug · October 20, 2023, 06:58 AM

Quote from: Jim at Gentex on October 20, 2023, 05:52 AMDammit Doug!!

Why do you have to be right all of the time?

Seriously though, I think your analysis is spot on.
Anyone who can't see more election fuckery on the horizon for 2024 just isn't in touch with reality.

Shit may get VERY real VERY quickly, so we all need to stay informed and stay frosty.

The other big unknown is current economic indicators say we are headed for a massive recession or even depression next year. This will have a huge effect on the election. If the economy is that bad there is no way Biden could win without massive election fraud levels.

The real issue is that R voters need to see the current House shit show and wake the eff up to the fact that the Establishment R party is bought and paid for by the same big interests as the D party. We cannot support status quo R party candidates. I hate using the MAGA term because people can't seem to separate MAGA principals from Trump, but we need to return the R party to MAGA principals and that means almost every incumbent needs to go.

neurosis · October 20, 2023, 07:38 AM

Quote from: YoDoug on October 20, 2023, 06:58 AMWe cannot support status quo R party candidates. I hate using the MAGA term because people can't seem to separate MAGA principals from Trump, but we need to return the R party to MAGA principals and that means almost every incumbent needs to go.

Why not use a different term? That term has, probably unjustifiably, become synonymous with racism.

Can you say that in your lifetime the Republican party wasn't a party of corporatism? What era of Republican are you hoping to get back to?

YoDoug · October 20, 2023, 07:51 AM

Quote from: neurosis on October 20, 2023, 07:38 AMWhy not use a different term? That term has, probably unjustifiably, become synonymous with racism.

Can you say that in your lifetime the Republican party wasn't a party of corporatism? What era of Republican are you hoping to get back to?

I don't know what other popular term or phrase to adequately describe "American people first".

Good point. The R party has traditionally been the corporate first party. There was a time when policies good for American corporations, low taxes, less regs, etc, were also good for American workers because they created a strong economy, low unemployment, and a strong dollar. This is what we saw during Trumps term in office. This was not good for China and big multi-national corporations. The huge multi-national Corporations only see America as one market of many. Policies that benefit those corps globally are usually not good for American workers. It's not so much returning to a previous version of America, it's policies that put American workers/people first.

YoDoug · October 20, 2023, 08:07 AM

Quote from: neurosis on October 20, 2023, 07:38 AMWhy not use a different term? That term has, probably unjustifiably, become synonymous with racism.

Thinking about this more, just because the left screams racism doesn't make it so. Under Trump policies minority unemployment hit the lowest numbers ever. Minority wages were the highest ever. Minority home ownership was up. The left was at risk of losing a big portion of their ever faithful minority voter base so they went full send on the race card. They needed to make MAGA about racism. They drove their base into irrational madness over racism, specifically against the cops. Those communities are now feeling the effect of that massive irrational emotionally driven over reaction. Crime is out of control, but it turned their base against Trump, even if their lives were greatly improved by his policies.

mkd · October 20, 2023, 08:08 AM

Judicial branch has been making some unusual moves on this issue. California's assault weapons ban will certainly outlive me./
But like the lottery, it's fun to dream.

mkd · October 20, 2023, 08:11 AM

Quote from: YoDoug on October 20, 2023, 08:07 AMThinking about this more, just because the left screams racism doesn't make it so. Under Trump policies minority unemployment hit the lowest numbers ever. Minority wages were the highest ever. Minority home ownership was up. The left was at risk of losing a big portion of their ever faithful minority voter base so they went full send on the race card. They needed to make MAGA about racism. They drove their base into irrational madness over racism, specifically against the cops. Those communities are now feeling the effect of that massive irrational emotionally driven over reaction. Crime is out of control, but it turned their base against Trump, even if their lives were greatly improved by his policies.

Dinesh D'sousa calls it 'The Big Lie'. Make such outlandish claims and repeat them often enough, they become true in the weak-minded.

mkd · October 20, 2023, 08:16 AM

1. To be heard by 3 judge panel of the ninth. 12 months? decision upheld
2. En banc panel appeal by the state. 18-48 months. decision reversed.
3. appeals to the supreme court. infinity and beyond.

Saint Benitez FTW

mkd · October 20, 2023, 08:17 AM

10 day waiting period was ruled unconstitutional a decade ago.
Crickets......

neurosis · October 20, 2023, 08:34 AM

Quote from: YoDoug on October 20, 2023, 08:07 AMThinking about this more, just because the left screams racism doesn't make it so.

It didn't help that there was so much video of people saying racist things at Trump rally's while wearing maga hats and shirts. I know that's not a reflection of the entire base, but it is part of the base.

Quote from: YoDoug on October 20, 2023, 08:07 AMThey drove their base into irrational madness over racism, specifically against the cops. Those communities are now feeling the effect of that massive irrational emotionally driven over reaction. Crime is out of control, but it turned their base against Trump, even if their lives were greatly improved by his policies.

Yes, they've taken an actual issue, and much like Reko used to do, drove it to the point that it's become bastardized nonsense. Disagree = racism.

The issue of black incarceration rates as an example, is a very complicated nuanced subject. It's not as simple as "black people are involved in more crimes and more homicides per capita". The Dems have taken an issue that requires deeper thought and turned it in to a slogan. Since were all becoming a society of 15 second attention spans, all we need is the headline. Critical thinking almost doesn't exist anymore. Most people these days don't even bother to read past the headline and if they do, dismiss parts of an article they don't want to acknowledge.

Quote from: YoDoug on October 20, 2023, 08:07 AMUnder Trump policies minority unemployment hit the lowest numbers ever. Minority wages were the highest ever. Minority home ownership was up.

Was this by design, or? I mean, did Trump actually focus his policy on helping minorities, or did they benefit by means of policy shrapnel?

I ask that because his focus was on helping wealthy people keep their money. If someone else benefited then he was happy to take the credit.

mkd · October 20, 2023, 08:45 AM

Quote from: neurosis on October 20, 2023, 08:34 AMIt didn't help that there was so much video of people saying racist things at Trump rally's while wearing maga hats and shirts. I know that's not a reflection of the entire base, but it is part of the base.

Not sure what any of this has to do with gov't infringements, but i'm 0% aware of what you are talking about, othewr than some hilarious and obvious (edited) Democrat party goobers rolling up with *their* confederate flags.