Speaker of the house

[beej]

LOL, you disagree so you just dismiss it! Please provide a link to some accurate accounting of the elections. Otherwise you are doing the exact same thing as the Dems by dismissing it without any valid discussion or argument.

I'm not doing the same exact thing. I think that you have every right to believe what you believe. I'm not holding that against you. I at first, thought the same thing. But there have been many opportunities to present the evidence that the election was stolen and the people at the top who claim it, still have not shown any evidence that it is true.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If by stolen election, you mean the excessive mail-in ballots, then yes, the election was stolen by the states that broke their own laws in the name of covid awareness which was malicious in my mind. but if you mean machines changed votes from Trump to Biden, or if you mean that there was a truck sitting in the parking lot with just the right number of votes for Biden, then, no! I don't believe that. Now even Mark Meadows has come out saying he didn't believe there was a basis for the overturn of the election.

But the reason that I'm not doing the same thing as the left, is that I am fine with you having your belief, and I'm not using it to dismiss you. Believe what you want.

[mkd]

That whole "election denier" phrase pisses me off. Not one single person, group, gov entity, etc. has provided any actual accounting and validation of the 2020 elections in question. They simply can't because there are so many holes in the process it can't all be accounted for. This doesn't prove fraud, but no one can prove it was legitimate either and there is plenty of evidence to question it. This is the epitome of thought and speech control. You can't question what they say or you are a denier. This goes for elections, climate change, Covid, Vax, gender ideology, etc.

The only thing more preposterous than the current narrative would be to elect our horse to the senate

[Del.]

Why would he want to cut SS?

[mkd]

Why would he want to cut SS?

Maybe it's the Ponzi part?

[Del.]

Maybe it's the Ponzi part?

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[neurosis]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If by stolen election, you mean the excessive mail-in ballots, then yes, the election was stolen by the states that broke their own laws in the name of covid awareness

That's the way that *most* reasonable people see it. Show me some proof and don't try to hire a company lead by a known Trump "election denier" ( had to do it ) 'Cyber Ninjas' to do the audit. Want some interesting reading, read more up on the CEO of that company.  Doug Logan

[Smit]

It's perfectly fine to have strong opinions on the issue of abortion. It's another to try to implement laws to inflict your opinions on other people. And if you want to get draconian about it then you're an extremist.

Sorry, that's the way it works.

As far as election deniers go, if you're gullible enough to believe shit just because some orange guy you worship says so, without proof, then election deniers is probably the most complimentary thing you're ever going to be called. 

As far as reducing SS and Medicare, I'll give people who want that the credit for having the courage of their convictions. To meaningfully reduce the deficit, without raising taxes, those almost certainly need to be cut.

But it's also political death. Even radical Republicans want their SS and Medicare after retirement.

[Del.]

It's perfectly fine to have strong opinions on the issue of abortion. It's another to try to implement laws to inflict your opinions on other people. And if you want to get draconian about it then you're an extremist.

Sorry, that's the way it works.

As far as election deniers go, if you're gullible enough to believe shit just because some orange guy you worship says so, without proof, then election deniers is probably the most complimentary thing you're ever going to be called. 

As far as reducing SS and Medicare, I'll give people who want that the credit for having the courage of their convictions. To meaningfully reduce the deficit, without raising taxes, those almost certainly need to be cut.

But it's also political death. Even radical Republicans want their SS and Medicare after retirement.

Are you saying that you would be fine with cutting SS and Medicare as a way to reduce the deficit without raising taxes?

[mkd]

It's perfectly fine to have strong opinions on the issue of abortion. It's another to try to implement laws to inflict your opinions on other people

You mean like fictitious leaps of logic in R v. W that allowed girl and boy baby brains to be smashed and vacuumed out of the womb for 50 years?

[rdshear]

It's perfectly fine to have strong opinions on the issue of abortion. It's another to try to implement laws to inflict your opinions on other people.

I don't agree with abortion, however I don't think it should be federally banned as not everyone has the same moral compass as I have.  I think it should be a state issue, and I don't believe a penny of tax money should go to funding it.  If an abortion clinic can't survive without my tax money, then so be it.  I don't understand why my opinion whether strong or not should be minimized over someone else's opposite opinion.  Why is it OK to implement laws to inflict the opposite opinions on me? 

[Smit]

Are you saying that you would be fine with cutting SS and Medicare as a way to reduce the deficit without raising taxes?

Not at all. Like most middle class retirees I believe those programs are critical to a healthy, happy retirement.

I'm just giving politicians who do want to do that credit for having the courage of their convictions, even if it's political suicide.

[neurosis]

I think it should be a state issue

That's exactly what the Republicans said when they supported overturning Roe v Wade. That goal post seems to have moved for some.

I'm with you in that I don't agree with abortion as a choice of convenient birth control. I wouldn't impose my beliefs on someone else.  Anything beyond that should be none of my or anyone elses business. It should be between a doctor and patient.

I also don't want a moral compass based on religious beliefs, shoved down my anyone elses throat. That goes for any religion.   

[YoDoug]

That's the way that *most* reasonable people see it. Show me some proof and don't try to hire a company lead by a known Trump "election denier" ( had to do it ) 'Cyber Ninjas' to do the audit. Want some interesting reading, read more up on the CEO of that company.  Doug Logan

The problem is, the system has so many holes you can't prove either way. Once votes are tallied in the system they are disconnected from the ballot. Likewise the ballot is disconnected from the registered voter. There is no way to actually tell if it was legit or not.

[mowens]

I prefer the voter be disconnected from the ballot. If it were possible to know who cast which vote, imagine the level of weaponized government we would have.

[mkd]

I prefer the voter be disconnected from the ballot. If it were possible to know who cast which vote, imagine the level of weaponized government we would have.

Yes. For sure.
 Just as bad as gun registration, which is federally illegal