Healthy recipie thread - any interest in starting one?

[RobertELee]

LOL, Shawn Baker. Joe Rogan is an amazing person in the fact that he is an idiot, yet by pushing "macho" manly ideas he has millions of people that take everything he says as gospel. Next you'll ask me to listen to Ted Nugent.

I never take anything anyone says as gospel, however I will listen to the educated opinions and make my own mind up.

But you can't say meat causes cancer without proving that. Humans have been eating meat(many as a primary source of food) for thousands/hundreds of thousand of years. How have we survived this long if meat is killing everyone? Now is meat causing cancer or is it the shit the FDA is allowing to be put into it causing cancer? What about the pesticides and herbicides farmers dump on fields that leech into your veggies? Surely those don't cause cancer....right?

[YoDoug]

I never take anything anyone says as gospel, however I will listen to the educated opinions and make my own mind up.

But you can't say meat causes cancer without proving that. Humans have been eating meat(many as a primary source of food) for thousands/hundreds of thousand of years. How have we survived this long if meat is killing everyone? Now is meat causing cancer or is it the shit the FDA is allowing to be put into it causing cancer? What about the pesticides and herbicides farmers dump on fields that leech into your veggies? Surely those don't cause cancer....right?

The majority of people are mis-informed about cancer. They think it is something you "get" like catching a cold. Cancer is a byproduct of entropy of genetic material. Every humans has cancer cells in them. The body has natural processes to kill them off. Outside factors like foods, pesticides, environmentals, etc. cause the cancer process to accelerate.

Yes, It has been proven that meat causes cancer. In lab tests certain proteins from meat have shown to turn on cancer gene expression, IE, telling cancer to grow. On the other hand, proteins from cruciferous veggies do the opposite. They can literally turn on and off cancer growth by changing the proteins they give it.

[RobertELee]

Yes, It has been proven that meat causes cancer.

Studies done by the same scientists that said the vaxxx was safe, right?

[YoDoug]

Studies done by the same scientists that said the vaxxx was safe, right?

It's interesting that you bring that up. The Incredible influence that big pharma has over studies, politicians, and gov agencies is no different than the influence that big food, beef council, dairy board, etc has. If fact they actually partner together in their corruption of the truth. One sells food that make people sick and the other sells pills that mask symptoms for perpetual use of both.

[mowens]

Yes, It has been proven that meat causes cancer. In lab tests certain proteins from meat have shown to turn on cancer gene expression, IE, telling cancer to grow. On the other hand, proteins from cruciferous veggies do the opposite. They can literally turn on and off cancer growth by changing the proteins they give it.

Given that, it just seems odd that we evolved as omnivores when other large primates, like gorillas who share the vast majority of our DNA, evolved as almost exclusively plant eaters.

[YoDoug]

Given that, it just seems odd that we evolved as omnivores when other large primates, like gorillas who share the vast majority of our DNA, evolved as almost exclusively plant eaters.

While we may have been omnivores, there is a huge misconception about how much meat versus plants was in our ancestors diets. Hunting with spears is hard. Animals are fast, have highly developed vision and hearing. They can smell you a mile away. Go tryo to make your own spear/bow/arrows with rocks and homemade string. Then try get a deer. Most days you would be eating whatever you could forage.

In America, until well into the 1900' the average American only ate about 4 oz of meat a day and hardly ate cheese at all. Today Americans eat the amount of meat and dairy in a month that those did in a year back then. In small amounts your body can overcome the ill effects of meat and dairy. It can even benefit from some of the nutrients. However, that doesn't mean we were designed to eat it or that there isn't healthier foods to eat, AKA, plants.

[mowens]

Well, we are to some extent. That's why we have canine teeth. Also, reduced tooth and gut size and increased brain size are associated with eating meat.

According to this article, evidence of meat eating hominins starts about 2.6 million years ago.

I agree, we eat too much red meat. However, saying we weren't designed to eat meat is not really accurate.

I thought this was an interesting article.

early meat eaters

[YoDoug]

tooth and gut size 

Our teeth and gut size are closer to herbivorous animals than carnivores.

[mowens]

from the article....

" it's only in the Homo lineage, especially in Homo erectus, that we see biological features often linked to meat-eating, such as a decrease in tooth and gut size and an increase in body and brain size (e.g., McHenry 1992; Aiello and Wheeler 1995; Antón 2003; Braun et al. 2010)."

[YoDoug]

often linked to meat-eating

That whole article reads like they are trying to find "facts" to support their theory. Everybody loves to say canines mean we are meat eaters, when in truth our teeth are flat and closer in size and shape to herbivores. Our guts are the same proportion of body length. Our gut bacteria, enzymes, PH balance all similar to herbivores, not carnivores. If we have been eating meat for 2.5 million years then we haven't we evolved closer to other carnivores?

[mowens]

It's evidence of being an omnivore, which includes eating meat and plants.
We are not carnivores.


Now you're doing what you accused JP of doing.

[YoDoug]

It's evidence of being an omnivore, which includes eating meat and plants.
We are not carnivores.


Now you're doing what you accused JP of doing.

No, I never said we were not omnivores. Humans in fact have eaten meat for a long time. I am saying we were created to be herbivores as evidenced by our physiology, the known effects on human health from eating meat, and God's word.

[RobertELee]

It's interesting that you bring that up. The Incredible influence that big pharma has over studies, politicians, and gov agencies is no different than the influence that big food, beef council, dairy board, etc has. If fact they actually partner together in their corruption of the truth. One sells food that make people sick and the other sells pills that mask symptoms for perpetual use of both.

And I never once said that they didn't. What I was showing was you taking studies you agree with as gospel and completely denying others. You don't think that the Veggie Society of America doesn't do the exact same thing you are accusing everyone else of doing?

BTW - I'm not trying to have an argument over someone's personal choice on what they eat. I could give two shits about what you eat. If you look in any of my history on here and what was on the old Emas, I never once commented or argued about your personal food beliefs, except for maybe a funny meme or two. I literally asked a question if you listened to an opposing view of what you were talking about, but obviously, why would anyone want to hear an opposition to their 'bible'....

[Incogneeto]

^^^^^^^^^^^^"OUCH!!"^^^^^^^^

[YoDoug]

And I never once said that they didn't. What I was showing was you taking studies you agree with as gospel and completely denying others. You don't think that the Veggie Society of America doesn't do the exact same thing you are accusing everyone else of doing?

BTW - I'm not trying to have an argument over someone's personal choice on what they eat. I could give two shits about what you eat. If you look in any of my history on here and what was on the old Emas, I never once commented or argued about your personal food beliefs, except for maybe a funny meme or two. I literally asked a question if you listened to an opposing view of what you were talking about, but obviously, why would anyone want to hear an opposition to their 'bible'....

1. What veggie societies exist and how much do they spend lobbying and funding studies? That data is available for meat and dairy.
2. What studies have I completely denied. From what I see here, I'm the only one posting links to studies to back up my claims. The meat eaters never post studies to support their claims. They just dismiss the ones I post.

As to listening to an opposing view, I do sometimes, but it is hard when you hear them spewing outright lies or they are just passing along mis-information they heard. I watched a video last night from some influencers that call themselves the carnivore couple. She listed a study that looked at LDL levels in patients while hospitalized after having a heart attack. A large portion of the patients had moderate or even low LDL. She claimed this means LDL is not valid at predicting issues. If you actually read the paper, the authors say other markers, IN ADDITION, to LDL should be considered. Furthermore, a second group of researchers questioned why that was so they did a follow up study and went back through medical records for those people that had low LDL after a heart attack. They found that in previous tests most of those people had high LDL levels. they then studied and found the actual physical mechanism that lowers LDL after a heart attack. Yet the Couple was on their youtube pushing carnivore diets because they were misinformed. Almost every time I listen to an opposing view I see/hear cherry picking of data and general dismissing of health statistics.

Another great example of misinformation is the understanding of type 2 diabetes. Type 2 comes from an insulin resistance. That happens when there is too much saturated fat is the system. The fat breaks down into free radicals and other compounds that end up blocking insulin receptors. The results is Glucose levels that are too high. The low carb/keto people claim sugar is the culprit and if you just eat more saturated fats and less sugars you'll be fine. While this may help control glucose levels, it doesn't fix the cause. This is akin to having a slow bathtub drain so you just run the water at slower rates rather than fixing the drain. More misinformation.

Go back a decade ago, and I was the meat eater making stupid comments, dismissing studies, making claims like people have different body types so those studies are irrelevant for me. I was in complete denial while being 50 lbs overweight and in line for prescribed statins and bP meds. Then I decided to "look at the other side" as you asked. My eyes were opened and I saw how mislead the majority of society has been over the last 50 years when it comes to nutrition. I also learned how much money and influence big food has on that misinformation.