Healthy recipie thread - any interest in starting one?

[mkd]

It's actually the ratio of total cholesterol to good HDL   

DOH! I butchered my trolling!

[YoDoug]

Let this sink in. For the most part, most people have a skeptical view of big pharma and the influence they have over studies and misinformation about their products. that being said, the same big investment corps that own most of big pharma, own most of the big food corps, including most major meat and dairy producers. These new "we've been wrong for 50 years" studies are heavily paid for and influenced by these groups. And, they have an easy job because confirmation bias is strong for those addicted to animal flesh. They will get on social media and carry the water for those big corps if it means they can ignore 100's of years of statistical data.

[mkd]

epidemiology data shows high cholesterol is correlated with lower all cause mortality.

[mkd]

Bad ticker? Beef is the solution!!!!!

[YoDoug]

epidemiology data shows high cholesterol is correlated with lower all cause mortality.

Nope, only if you pick and choose groups/data points/studies that fit your narrative. The overwhelming body of evidence says the opposite.

[Rstewart]

When we have studies spanning more than 40 years proving a vegan diet is the ticket, I'll believe it.  I'll be dead tho 

[Rstewart]

Not to disrupt this thread any more than it is, please continue with the great recipes.  We can all substitute meat for your tofu.

[mkd]

Nope, only if you pick and choose groups/data points/studies that fit your narrative. The overwhelming body of evidence says the opposite.

I'm guessing you're a fan of Ancel Keys who invented K-rations and demonized saturated fat (based on literally no data) in favor of polyunsaturated veggie oils.
It's interesting that his later actual scientific studies (1968-73) proved deleterious to restrict dietary saturated fat which he suppressed. Food corruption at it's best.
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Minnesota Coronary Experiment

In 1968, about ten years after the beginning and two years after the first publication of the results of the Seven Countries Study, Keys and Ivan Frantz initiated a large randomized control trial, replacing saturated fats by food items with naturally high or artificially raised content of linoleic acid in an intervention group.[citation needed]

The randomized and blinded experiment ended in 1973. Results were not published until only much later in form of smaller excerpts as part of conference talks or doctoral theses. The raw data and analysis were discovered in 2013 in the estate of the principal investigator, Ivan Frantz.[47][48][49][50]

The study shows no positive effects of the altered dietary intake. Cardiovascular mortality of patients over 65 years of age increased by the replacement of saturated fats.

The 2016 paper "Re-evaluation of the traditional diet-heart hypothesis: analysis of recovered data from Minnesota Coronary Experiment" concludes:

    Results – The intervention group had significant reduction in serum cholesterol compared with controls (mean change from baseline −13.8% v −1.0%; P<0.001). Kaplan Meier graphs showed no mortality benefit for the intervention group in the full randomized cohort or for any prespecified subgroup. There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL (0.78 mmol/L) reduction in serum cholesterol in covariate adjusted Cox regression models (hazard ratio 1.22, 95% confidence interval 1.14 to 1.32; P<0.001). There was no evidence of benefit in the intervention group for coronary atherosclerosis or myocardial infarcts. Systematic review identified five randomized controlled trials for inclusion (n=10 808). In meta-analyses, these cholesterol lowering interventions showed no evidence of benefit on mortality from coronary heart disease (1.13, 0.83 to 1.54) or all cause mortality (1.07, 0.90 to 1.27).
    Conclusions – Available evidence from randomized controlled trials shows that replacement of saturated fat in the diet with linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes. Findings from the Minnesota Coronary Experiment add to growing evidence that incomplete publication has contributed to overestimation of the benefits of replacing saturated fat with vegetable oils rich in linoleic acid.[51]

[mkd]

more cholesterol = less death

just sayin

[mkd]

can vegans graph, or are they too low energy?  
 Joe788 was certainly not vegan. I miss his battles.

[mkd]

HEALTHY RECIPE:

chop cucumber chunks
2:1 ratio of greek yogurt (plain no sugar) to mayonnaise
1 tbs lemon juice
3 tbls finely chopped Dill
1 large clove raw garlic
mix in salad bowl

results: AMAZING
(steak on the side, of course)

[neurosis]

can vegans graph, or are they too low energy?  
 Joe788 was certainly not vegan. I miss his battles.

I keep wondering what happened to that guy.  Does he hang on any forums these days or did he just disappear? 

[YoDoug]

I'm guessing you're a fan of Ancel Keys who invented K-rations and demonized saturated fat (based on literally no data) in favor of polyunsaturated veggie oils.
It's interesting that his later actual scientific studies (1968-73) proved deleterious to restrict dietary saturated fat which he suppressed. Food corruption at it's best.
*******************************************************************************
Minnesota Coronary Experiment

In 1968, about ten years after the beginning and two years after the first publication of the results of the Seven Countries Study, Keys and Ivan Frantz initiated a large randomized control trial, replacing saturated fats by food items with naturally high or artificially raised content of linoleic acid in an intervention group.[citation needed]

The randomized and blinded experiment ended in 1973. Results were not published until only much later in form of smaller excerpts as part of conference talks or doctoral theses. The raw data and analysis were discovered in 2013 in the estate of the principal investigator, Ivan Frantz.[47][48][49][50]

The study shows no positive effects of the altered dietary intake. Cardiovascular mortality of patients over 65 years of age increased by the replacement of saturated fats.

The 2016 paper "Re-evaluation of the traditional diet-heart hypothesis: analysis of recovered data from Minnesota Coronary Experiment" concludes:

    Results – The intervention group had significant reduction in serum cholesterol compared with controls (mean change from baseline −13.8% v −1.0%; P<0.001). Kaplan Meier graphs showed no mortality benefit for the intervention group in the full randomized cohort or for any prespecified subgroup. There was a 22% higher risk of death for each 30 mg/dL (0.78 mmol/L) reduction in serum cholesterol in covariate adjusted Cox regression models (hazard ratio 1.22, 95% confidence interval 1.14 to 1.32; P<0.001). There was no evidence of benefit in the intervention group for coronary atherosclerosis or myocardial infarcts. Systematic review identified five randomized controlled trials for inclusion (n=10 808). In meta-analyses, these cholesterol lowering interventions showed no evidence of benefit on mortality from coronary heart disease (1.13, 0.83 to 1.54) or all cause mortality (1.07, 0.90 to 1.27).
    Conclusions – Available evidence from randomized controlled trials shows that replacement of saturated fat in the diet with linoleic acid effectively lowers serum cholesterol but does not support the hypothesis that this translates to a lower risk of death from coronary heart disease or all causes. Findings from the Minnesota Coronary Experiment add to growing evidence that incomplete publication has contributed to overestimation of the benefits of replacing saturated fat with vegetable oils rich in linoleic acid.[51]

Nice big meat industry propaganda. Here is some truth about Ancel Keys. Spoiler, the narrative in your article is false.

https://oldwayspt.org/blog/pulling-ancel-keys-out-under-bus

[neurosis]

big meat propaganda

I want to get a t-shirt made with that on it.   

[neurosis]

Cavemen didn't eat meat.
They eat plant based!

I think they were the meat that got eaten.