Ti Roughing, Low Rigidity Setup?

Started by Matthew Hajicek, February 05, 2021, 02:56 PM

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Matthew Hajicek

Hoping for some advice.  I've got a very low rigidity setup to get this long plate out of the restricted area of the trunnion.  At first I tried my usual 2D dynamic with a Helical ½" EM to get most of the meat off, but it was flexing and chirping as the cutter rounded the ends, Ti being so rubbery, and chipping the tool.  I got it to work by going down to smaller diameter cutters and four stepdowns, but do you think it would work better to do a contour ramp with a high-feed cutter?  Is there another, better option I haven't though of?

Thanks

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gcode

#1
round  the ends first ????

neurosis

#2
I do a lot of work like that.  When I have a thin web I never use dynamic. When cuts around the end it causes problems.  

I can trick the tool path in to cutting from one direction but I would have to be at work to show you an example.  

You could always just use a contour path and cut across that in one direction ?

If you're profiling all the way down, do it in steps so it stays rigid.
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Matthew Hajicek

#3
I emailed Ron, and he votes highfeed.  Got some on order, won't be here in time for this job but I'll have them for next time.

neurosis

#4
Thats a good suggestion.  They may still rattle on you at the ends sticking so far out of the clamping area like that.
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BrianP.

#5
With all those holes have you thought about fixturing it? Drill holes in blank and then mount to fixture. Be able to get really aggressive on a rigid set up. Extra handling could be offset by decreased cycle times.

crazy^millman

#6
Yeah I would go with the head style high feed cutter since they hold up better to abuse than a solid carbide if staying with this method. The other choice mentioned is a good one as well. I would leave it tall and mill to a point, but leaving material to keep it rigid. I would then fixture it and cut off the excess like Brian mentioned.

Matthew Hajicek

#7
Those holes are tapered double lead threads, might be challenging to fixture to.  If I had a big enough platter I'd lay it down and cut the top or bottom face complete, flip it over on locators, do the other side, leaving it on tabs.  I spose I could make a larger platter sticking way out there.  I only have to make eight parts for now.  Just tweaking thread sizes on the first one and then I can let'er buck.

I ordered a few of these to play with next time:
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They seem to cost about the same for the whole tool as for a screw-on tip.

neurosis

#8
Whats the max depth of cut with those?  about .02?  

If you get a lot of vibration on those ends is going to chip that thing out.
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neurosis

#9
Don't take my advise to seriously.  I don't own a Haas 5axis.  :D

If I had to machine that thing with that setup.. I would rotate that down and contour the top with the side of an endmill and then rotate it back up and profile it.  

I don't know how you plan to put those holes in?
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#10
Quote from: neurosis post_id=6146 time=1612651477 user_id=49If I had to machine that thing with that setup.. I would rotate that down and contour the top with the side of an endmill and then rotate it back up and profile it.  


Essentially what I did, but the other way around.  I did the top view 2D dynamic, then the side view 2D dynamic.  Then 45° and semifinish with a bull, flip for the other side.

Quote from: neurosis post_id=6146 time=1612651477 user_id=49I don't know how you plan to put those holes in?


I helix bored them, then I have a custom tapered multi-form threadmill; its the same threadform as on our smaller plates.  Program for double the pitch and you get dual start.  Sizing those out now.

Matthew Hajicek

#11
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neurosis

#12
haha.. that photo really puts it in to perspective.  

Nice job, Matt.
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neurosis

#13
How do you plan on getting rid of that clamping area?
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Matthew Hajicek

#14
Thanks!

I'll almost-but-not-quite part it off with a 3mm endmill, then snap it off and sand off the burr.