Maintenance Fee increase

[JParis]

I was a long time Unigraphics user prior to coming here. I've not enjoyed Mastercam from day 1.

No, it's fair.

I didn't enjoy a single day that I had endure NX...

Different strokes for different folks...it's why multiple titles exist.

[riverhunter]

Not trying piss anyone off, I know most of you all are long time happy Mastercam users.
I'm glad it works for you.

I am a current MC user only because the job I decided to take so I'm happy   When we move to NX I will just be more happy  

[kdg]

No, it's fair.

I didn't enjoy a single day that I had endure NX...

Different strokes for different folks...it's why multiple titles exist.

Well, to be fair, present day versions of each are much more competitive.

I came from running UG version 16/17 (I think) on Unix workstations to pc based Mcam V9.
It was essentially a DOS application running on Windows.
It barely supported solids, didn't support a 3d motion controller, & that goofy menu structure!

[Here's Johnny!]

Changing software in any shop is no small task IMHO.

Getting support for the software and being able to package it with other software (probing, post processing, verification etc) are very important items to consider. The user base for some of these other software(s) is lacking so finding help is likely harder but not impossible. 

[gcode]

Mcam V9.
It was essentially a DOS application running on Windows.
It barely supported solids, didn't support a 3d motion controller, & that goofy menu structure!

I used the first Spaceball with V9.
It worked but you had to be very careful.
If you didn't use it properly it would blow your file up and scatter the pieces all over the galaxy. 

[kdg]

I used the first Spaceball with V9.
It worked but you had to be very careful.
If you didn't use it properly it would blow your file up and scatter the pieces all over the galaxy. 

Exactly.
There was a bunch of other quirkiness (aka bugs) that made it essentially unusable (like so many other things).

I'll stop with the trip down memory lane & bashing now.

Sorry for the derail, carry on.

[Here's Johnny!]

I always assumed that gcode (Tom) was most likely using UNIAPT at some point of his career!!!!

[Newbeeee™]

I always assumed that gcode (Tom) was most likely using UNIAPT at some point of his career!!!!

Back in the day he had the high score with this

[gcode]

I always assumed that gcode (Tom) was most likely using UNIAPT at some point of his career!!!!

My first CAM was Anicam 1.0 running on an NEC machine.
4 color 13" monitor, no mouse, no hard drive and a massive 64K of ram.
It has two 8" floppies.. one for the executable disc and the second for storage
Everything was done by keyboard command
L1 = Y1.75 would draw an infinitely long line at Y1.75
once you had geometry drawn,
it was
Rapid P1
Feed {Z-.5}
COMP .250
FEED L1 A3 L4  etc etc

Pockets required complex basic programs
feed blah blah blah
Loop 5 until blah blah
I usually just drew wire C/L paths to rough pockets.

The executable disc got heavy use and would wear out in a month or so
Then you had to burn a new disc from the irreplaceable Master Disc

I eventually had to give it up because I could no longer find 8" floppy discs

One of my biggest regrets in life is that I threw the machine and the 2 foot tall stack
of instruction manuals away.

[gcode]

Back in the day he had the high score with this

I didn't play games much, but one night and friend and I ate some mushrooms
and played Astroid till our thumbs were bleeding 

[TSmcam]

I used the first Spaceball with V9.
It worked but you had to be very careful.
If you didn't use it properly it would blow your file up and scatter the pieces all over the galaxy. 

I used the first Spaceball with Unigraphics. I think it was V10. The very first Windows version running on Windows NT. That and something like Vericut V5. The version that looked Unixey and required Hummingbird Exceed.

Funny people saying "Mastercam maintenance price increase.... time to move to NX". Yep, though NX's maintenance is eyewatering. I guess you get more capability for the price increase though.

[kdg]

Funny people saying "Mastercam maintenance price increase.... time to move to NX". Yep, though NX's maintenance is eyewatering. I guess you get more capability for the price increase though.

We already have several NX licenses, so we'd just be adding manufacturing licenses, I have no idea as to how the cost would break down. There's also the probable move to the subscription model, although that's a probability for all of them. And, yeah, the added capability & stability.

[TSmcam]

We already have several NX licenses, so we'd just be adding manufacturing licenses, I have no idea as to how the cost would break down. There's also the probable move to the subscription model, although that's a probability for all of them. And, yeah, the added capability & stability.

It makes sense if you already have NX Design licenses, to add NX Manufacturing. Back in the "old days" (for me, that is), I was a diehard Mastercam fan, so I adhered to the "seperate CAD/seperate CAM" mantra. I did see the advantages of integrated CAD/CAM when I was using NX, well Unigraphics then, but I was still more of a fan of Mastercam.

Nowadays, especially with the complex assemblies, and parts, that I deal with, I much prefer the whole integrated CAD/CAM scenario.

Yes, there is a probablility for all CAM vendors/applications to shift to subscription. Some are more resistant to it than others, but most are laying down the foundation, if they haven't done already, for it.

[riverhunter]

but most are laying down the foundation, if they haven't done already, for it.

Yeah.... Siemens went full blown subscriptions.  you can still get a perpetual license from a dealer, but its going to run 3 x a sub price and need maintenance on top of that. 

https://www.dex.siemens.com/plm/nx-for-manufacturing?cclcl=en_US&spi=4001351

[TSmcam]

Is Mill/Turn a seperate module in NX?

So to program a Multus, you would need Lathe, Mill, and Mill-Turn?