Unfinished Business

[RobertELee]

The problem with that is voter privacy.

Not if your name has ZERO attachment to the number. They give you a random ballot that has its own SN, you can take a pic or write down that number, maybe even have a little rip-off tab on the bottom that has the SN that you can take home. Then to keep everything offline during the election, once everything has been done, ballots counted etc, they load them onto the voter website, you go to it, punch in the SN and there you have a scan of your ballot, with the computer telling you exactly how it read your votes. If it didn't read it correctly you can contest that to a voting judge if you believe it could affect the election.

[YoDoug]

The problem with that is voter privacy.

The only thing I know of that comes close to that is our provisional ballot system in PA.
If your name does not appear in the poll book, but you can prove you are registered in the district, you get a provisional ballot.

Those are distinctive green ballots that remain segregated from the regular ballots, and are sealed in an individual envelope by the voter to preserve their privacy.
That envelope has a unique tracking number the voter can look up later to see whether that ballot was counted.
If the county office determines you are indeed registered in that district, your ballot is counted.

Other than that, I think any kind of tracking numbers on ballots would compromise the privacy and anonymity of the voter.

I think ballots should be serialized down to the smallest difference in ballot or precinct. At a minimum that would make 435 different serial numbers for congressional districts. Then votes should be tallied and stored per serialized district. That would make about 350k-400k voters per district. It would make it very hard to fraudulently insert 50-100K votes in just a couple districts to flip a state. It would be very easy then to do recounts and canvass of any districts in question. It would also make it difficult for the supposed only box checked on ballot being only presidential race. It would also save voter anonymity as voter district registration is already public info.

[neurosis]

I think ballots should be serialized

I don't know how it works in other States. Washington State ballots are bar coded.  Two of the bar codes are specific to the Ballot ID and voter ID, which is a unique number assigned to that ballot and that voter. That's what we use to track our own ballots.

[Jeff]

I don't know how it works in other States. Washington State ballots are bar coded.  Two of the bar codes are specific to the Ballot ID and voter ID, which is a unique number assigned to that ballot and that voter. That's what we use to track our own ballots.

I can't believe that hasn't been deemed racist yet.

[YoDoug]

I don't know how it works in other States. Washington State ballots are bar coded.  Two of the bar codes are specific to the Ballot ID and voter ID, which is a unique number assigned to that ballot and that voter. That's what we use to track our own ballots.

The problem isn't tracking down your own votes, it's tracking down and verifying potential fraudulent votes. The votes need to be recorded along with each specific ballot serial and district. that way it can be easily verified later. Right now once the votes are sent in they get lost in the vote total and there is no way of easily contesting a specific district.

[YoDoug]

I am not a fan of national legislation, but I think if we can have a uniform tax code, healthcare laws, etc. we can surely have a standard for elections. The whole 50 independent elections just adds to the difficulty of election security and integrity.

[neurosis]

we can surely have a standard for elections.

I'll agree with that, as long as mail in voting is the standard.   

I didn't care for it at first but have grown rather fond of it over the years.

it's tracking down and verifying potential fraudulent votes.

In our State, every ballot is serialized, just like you were saying. Not only that, but it's also serialized to the specific voter.  You can't duplicate a ballot without raising a red flag.

As far as non-citizens voting: 

Do I have to prove U.S. citizenship to register to vote?
To register to vote in Washington state, you must attest in a signed statement that you are a U.S. citizen and eligible to vote. You must also provide a form of identification. Common identification includes a Washington state driver's license or state-issued ID number, or the last four digits of a Social Security number.

[YoDoug]

In our State, every ballot is serialized, just like you were saying. Not only that, but it's also serialized to the specific voter.  You can't duplicate a ballot without raising a red flag.

It's not about duplicating a ballot, it's about corrupt election officials ordering extra allots and inserting them into the count. they use bloated voter rolls full of invalid registrations, order ballots for all those registrations, fill them out, add them to the count, and it makes it extremely hard to prove it was done.

[YoDoug]

The old saying the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing. I'm not saying I buy into the whole weather manipulation conspiracies, but here is a thought that makes my Spidey sense tingle. All eyes are going to be on PA, MI, and few other states that wee suspected of mass fraud last time. What if the huge numbers of displaced people from hurricanes Helene in NC and Milton in FL allow the dems to flip those states blue? If mail in ballots are already cast from Dems in FL and NC and R voters that largely vote on election day can't get to polls on election day. Then PA and MI won't matter. If that is a possibility then the Dems can let the eyes on PA and MI see an accurate count, even if it means trump wins those states because without FL and NC 50+ electoral votes 2-3 of the suspect swing states don't matter. They will say see, no cheating.

The thing with the dems is, they are almost always 2 steps ahead of the R's when it comes to their immoral and devious plans.

[neurosis]

It's not about duplicating a ballot, it's about corrupt election officials ordering extra allots and inserting them into the count. they use bloated voter rolls full of invalid registrations, order ballots for all those registrations, fill them out, add them to the count, and it makes it extremely hard to prove it was done.

I'm not sure how they could do that in our State? Ballots aren't issued unless you're registered to vote. Ballot's have both the voter and ballot serial numbers on them.

There may be some dead people ballots that get through but I'm guessing they are very far and few between. You would have to be willing to put yourself in a position of committing voter fraud, be able to forge the signature on the ballot, and hope that the voter registration records haven't been updated.

Government officials or entities: At least four states (Alabama, Indiana, New Mexico, Washington) accept reports from election inspectors, judges of probate, sheriffs, court clerks, tribal governments, etc.

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/voter-registration-list-maintenance#deceased

[neurosis]

I'm not saying I buy into the whole weather manipulation conspiracies, but here is a thought that makes my Spidey sense tingle.

I heard a new one yesterday.. The Dems are responsible for the hurricanes and they are trying to take out Republican voters.    Those are some next level conspiracies.

I've heard of cloud seeding, but never hurricane strength, direction, etc. manipulation.    

[YoDoug]

I'm not sure how they could do that in our State? Ballots aren't issued unless you're registered to vote. Ballot's have both the voter and ballot serial numbers on them.

There may be some dead people ballots that get through but I'm guessing they are very far and few between. You would have to be willing to put yourself in a position of committing voter fraud, be able to forge the signature on the ballot, and hope that the voter registration records haven't been updated.

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/voter-registration-list-maintenance#deceased

I'm not sure of you have been following, but in AZ alone they found 218000 registrations from the 2020 election that were not able to be verified. Everyone of the swing states in question has been found to have tens to hundreds of thousands of questionable registrations. that is the whole basis of the big steal. Bloat the roles, use that as cover for fraudulent ballots.

[Jeff]

I heard a new one yesterday.. The Dems are responsible for the hurricanes and they are trying to take out Republican voters.    Those are some next level conspiracies.

I've heard of cloud seeding, but never hurricane strength, direction, etc. manipulation.    

Impossible.
Everyone knows we have hurricanes because of global warming climate change

[BrianP.]

Rational, intelligent, non-misinformed Americans are sick of your shit.

That leaves you and most Democrats out. By no stretch of the imagination can they be called sane, rational or informed. 🤪

[YoDoug]

I heard a new one yesterday.. The Dems are responsible for the hurricanes and they are trying to take out Republican voters.    Those are some next level conspiracies.

I've heard of cloud seeding, but never hurricane strength, direction, etc. manipulation.   

Yeah, While I think they can manipulate weather in small ways, I don't believe they can create and control the size and trajectory of a hurricane. However, FEMA can be intentionally made to completely eff up disaster relief for the next month to ensure voters are not able to vote.