Modern Science, more and more points to existence of God

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beej

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/god-or-nothing-modern-science-points

QuoteWould you describe your book as a defense of the reasonability of the existence of God, or as an actual defense of the existence of God?

I would prefer the first. But it is more than that.

There are only two possible theories. One is that the universe was created by a creator God. That is a possibility, it is admitted by many people, we understand it and it is simple: God is almighty, he can create a universe if he wants.

And there is another possibility: God does not exist, we are pure space, time and matter.

It is important to weigh both sides of the scales and see what evidence we have.

In one, for the existence of God, we have the thermal death of the universe, which is a proof that the universe is going to "die," and that it had a beginning. You have the expansion of the universe and you have the fine-tuning of the universe, which is completely independent from its expansion. Then you have the appearance of life.

Finally, outside of the realm of science, you have philosophy, you have morals, you have history and you even have some miracles.

On the other side of the scales what do we have? Nothing. We have to believe in the "multiverse."

It is interesting that we continue to speak of believers and non-believers, because that is completely wrong. We who believe in the theory of God's existence, know what we believe. But the materialists don't realize that they are placing their belief in things that are completely crazy. They believe that our universe has no beginning, when almost everything demonstrates the opposite; they have to believe in a multiverse, which is science-fiction science; and they have to believe that life appeared from matter, which seems very difficult.

Saying that our book defends the reasonability of the existence of God is not enough. There are two plates on the scales, one has plenty of evidence, and another, for materialism, is completely empty, so the reasonability today is to hold and believe that God exists.

Human pride weighed you down so heavily that only divine humility could raise you up again. ~Augustine of Hippo

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beej

Quote from: Incogneeto on October 15, 2024, 12:50 PMTrolling our resident Atheist?? :D

 ;D It probably seems like that, but I genuinely like the discussions.
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Incogneeto

Quote from: beej on October 15, 2024, 01:18 PM;D It probably seems like that, but I genuinely like the discussions.

If you tell him to "Follow The Science"

He is going to put his Mask back on and get another Vaxx.

Then again if I lived in that area of the country I might also doubt. ;)
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Elmer Fudd

I just got the latest vax and I'm still alive but I get dumber every day.  :o  PS. If I didn't get vaxed and died the wife would let me hear about it for eternity.
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Incogneeto

Quote from: Elmer Fudd on October 15, 2024, 03:03 PMI just got the latest vax and I'm still alive but I get dumber every day.  :o  PS. If I didn't get vaxed and died the wife would let me hear about it for eternity.

Soo you are saying She is The Boss Down there too? :o

Incogneeto

Quote from: beej on October 15, 2024, 01:18 PM;D It probably seems like that, but I genuinely like the discussions.

Me too.

I don't have the religious knowledge to keep up with you guys.

But I have the Imagination and hopefully situational awareness to understand.

something didn't just Poop or Pop and everything blew up.

and here we are.

Fate , Karma , coinkydink. Nah there is a plan.

I'm almost glad I don't know what it is.

And then wish I did for my Kids. :)
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Jeff

Quote from: beej on October 15, 2024, 12:21 PMThere are only two possible theories. One is that the universe was created by a creator God. That is a possibility, it is admitted by many people, we understand it and it is simple: God is almighty, he can create a universe if he wants.

And there is another possibility: God does not exist, we are pure space, time and matter.


Wow, what a revelation!
 ::)
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beej

Quote from: Jeff on October 16, 2024, 04:04 AMWow, what a revelation!
 ::)


 ;D  that wasn't exactly the revelation. that was just setting the foundation for his arguments. Any scientific paper on a new discovery about carcinoma would start by describing what carcinoma is. That was all he was doing there. But when you start to look at the latest observations in science, there are some real head scratchers for the folks that believe it was all just by chance.
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Bucky Cornstarch

Is this a stolen election thread? Because there's as much proof for that than there is for the existence of a god.
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beej

Quote from: Bucky Cornstarch on October 16, 2024, 05:38 AMIs this a stolen election thread? Because there's as much proof for that than there is for the existence of a god.

Have you spent much time looking at the evidence for God? The Fine Tuning argument is pretty darn good evidence.
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Del.

Quote from: Bucky Cornstarch on October 16, 2024, 05:38 AMIs this a stolen election thread? Because there's as much proof for that than there is for the existence of a god.

Al Pacino recently said after a health crisis from Covid that he died and said there was nothing out there after death. I doubt he could prove that too.

beej

I spend a lot more time than I should listening to athiests arguments against God. One of my favorites to listen to is Alex O'Conner formerly Cosmic Skeptic. Lately it seems like he has a hard time explaining away some of the newest evidence in favor of a created universe.
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