Modern Science, more and more points to existence of God

[Incogneeto]

Fair enough. Let's go!

Creator gods....well, that can be complicated. Here's a short list, there are so many gods for so many religions.

First, are we talking about Lord Brahma, Vishnu, Atum, Ra, Ahura Mazda, Phanes, Ülgen, or Coatlicue?

Do you want to pick one or add another one?

If the scientific evidence points to one over another one (or bunch of other ones) I'd be interested in seeing that evidence.

You left out Shiva.

[beej]

Fair enough. Let's go!

Creator gods....well, that can be complicated. Here's a short list, there are so many gods for so many religions.

First, are we talking about Lord Brahma, Vishnu, Atum, Ra, Ahura Mazda, Phanes, Ülgen, or Coatlicue?

Do you want to pick one or add another one?

If the scientific evidence points to one over another one (or bunch of other ones) I'd be interested in seeing that evidence.

The scientific evidence points to a creator, but not to a specific creator. and there is a lot of interesting arguments especially in the fine tuning of the universe. such as a slight change in gravitational force would completely destroy the universe as we know it. There are a lot of these fine tuned settings, gravitational force is only one. But the only way to explain the fact that we have such a fine tuned universe by chance is that we are lucky to live in such a place and that there must be many others that are not so lucky, thus the Multi-verse theory.

the problem with the multiverse theory is that those other universes can not exist because if the fine tuning is not there they are impossible. Steven Hawking said in last book the Multi-verse theory is dead. So some have proposed the sequential universe theory. A chicken and the egg scenario, where a universe existed, it gave birth to a new universe prior to it's death and so on. The problem with that is the fact that our universe is expanding and the loss of heat will eventually cause the universe to die, but there is no evidence any where that our universe is giving birth to a new universe or that there is even a mechanism for this to happen. So there is plenty of scientific evidence for a creator.

to pin point who this God is, or whether it is only one God, is mostly going to be based on philosophical rather than scientific evidence. Aristotle's un-moved mover theory comes in to play here. For every movement there is something that caused the movement, follow those causes back far enough you will come to an unmoved mover. Something or someone has to start the initial movement. And it comes down to "one" unmoved mover. So there is only one God.


So who is he? that's the question.

[Del.]

My thoughts on that are, not that they mean anything; Christians believe God comes in 3 forms. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Going back to the idea of an infinite God; if he can take 3 forms for us who is to say that he can't take any form he wants? An infinite number, even. In the time of Jesus, he and his disciples only reached a fraction of the world's population. I don't see why God couldn't reach the rest of the people in a way that would be most meaningful to them.

Didn't they catch the last train to the coast. 😝

[riverhunter]

50% Chance we are in the Matrix and this is all a simulation

[Incogneeto]

The scientific evidence points to a creator, but not to a specific creator. and there is a lot of interesting arguments especially in the fine tuning of the universe. such as a slight change in gravitational force would completely destroy the universe as we know it. There are a lot of these fine tuned settings, gravitational force is only one. But the only way to explain the fact that we have such a fine tuned universe by chance is that we are lucky to live in such a place and that there must be many others that are not so lucky, thus the Multi-verse theory.

the problem with the multiverse theory is that those other universes can not exist because if the fine tuning is not correct they are impossible. Steven Hawking said in last book the Multi-verse theory is dead. So some have proposed the sequential universe theory. A chicken and the egg scenario, where a universe existed, it gave birth to a new universe prior to it's death and so on. The problem with that is the fact that our universe is expanding and the loss of heat will eventually cause the universe to die, but there is no evidence any where that our universe is giving birth to a new universe or that there is even a mechanism for this to happen. So there is plenty of scientific evidence for a creator.

to pin point who this God is, or whether it is only one God, is mostly going to be based on philosophical rather than scientific evidence. Aristotle's un-moved mover theory comes in to play here. For every movement there is something that caused the movement, follow those causes back far enough you will come to an unmoved mover. Something or someone has to start the initial movement. And it comes down to "one" unmoved mover. So there is only one God.


So who is he? that's the question.

Exactly....Big Bang??? Who Farted??

P.S. for everything else you just said.... Have you been in Del's Stash??

God says "Keep it Simple Stoopid"

Kiss.

My Ex wifes Car is in the driveway.

Suddenly it exploded!!!!!

who put the Gas in the Car ??

Who lit the match??

Quite simply by saying something came from Nothing??

The Cops aren't Buyin' it.

But God gave me The Fifth and I'mma use it.

A simple Premise(kiss) science nor any other Human existence can't answer.

And in the beginning God said.

[Flycut]

Does man exist because of God or does God exist because of man?
What would God be without man?

[mowens]

So who is he? that's the question.

What kind of answer do you expect?

[Flycut]

What kind of answer do you expect?

He's who you need him to be IMO.

[Del.]

What's the Vegas odds that God exist ?

[Incogneeto]

What's the Vegas odds that God exist ?

LOL!!

They won't take that Bet.

"Sin City"

[Smit]

The scientific evidence points to a creator, but not to a specific creator. and there is a lot of interesting arguments especially in the fine tuning of the universe. such as a slight change in gravitational force would completely destroy the universe as we know it. There are a lot of these fine tuned settings, gravitational force is only one. But the only way to explain the fact that we have such a fine tuned universe by chance is that we are lucky to live in such a place and that there must be many others that are not so lucky, thus the Multi-verse theory.

the problem with the multiverse theory is that those other universes can not exist because if the fine tuning is not there they are impossible. Steven Hawking said in last book the Multi-verse theory is dead. So some have proposed the sequential universe theory. A chicken and the egg scenario, where a universe existed, it gave birth to a new universe prior to it's death and so on. The problem with that is the fact that our universe is expanding and the loss of heat will eventually cause the universe to die, but there is no evidence any where that our universe is giving birth to a new universe or that there is even a mechanism for this to happen. So there is plenty of scientific evidence for a creator.

to pin point who this God is, or whether it is only one God, is mostly going to be based on philosophical rather than scientific evidence. Aristotle's un-moved mover theory comes in to play here. For every movement there is something that caused the movement, follow those causes back far enough you will come to an unmoved mover. Something or someone has to start the initial movement. And it comes down to "one" unmoved mover. So there is only one God.

So who is he? that's the question.

You certainly have a lot more energy for this topic than I do! 

I guess I would ask if a person looked at all the available data without an agenda of finding evidence of God, would that neutral person come to the conclusion that it was God?

[beej]

You certainly have a lot more energy for this topic than I do! 

I guess I would ask if a person looked at all the available data without an agenda of finding evidence of God, would that neutral person come to the conclusion that it was God?

Larry, you're no spring chicken. You should start figuring this out. 

To answer your question there are quite a few atheists that have changed there minds about God because of the science. And some of them are the ones that got me interested in this. Edward fesser, Tom Holland(the author, not spiderman) Gene Spitzer( president of Gonzaga) and Stephen Meyer

[Newbeeee™]

What's the Vegas odds that God exist ?

I put my money on a Black God!

[Smit]

Larry, you're no spring chicken. You should start figuring this out. 

To answer your question there are quite a few atheists that have changed there minds about God because of the science. And some of them are the ones that got me interested in this. Edward fesser, Tom Holland(the author, not spiderman) Gene Spitzer( president of Gonzaga) and Stephen Meyer

Ya know, I think I got it figured out the best I can.

With all due respect, I don't find your "science" references to be persuasive. Every time I've seen somebody try to "prove" God, they get to a point where science doesn't have proven answers and plug in "God." Easy peasy and no loose ends.

Humans just don't have answers to everything. We likely never will.