Unpopular take on the "was the 2020 election rigged" question?

[Smit]

Were you never a child?

I think so....

Maybe that's the problem, I can't remember that far back! 

[beej]

Most of the left-center for right-center provide pretty good news reporting but are biased in the editorial departments. To me I want high factual and credible reporting.

I like Reuters.

A list of least biased

Left center

Right center

I tend to go to places that have both left and right opinions, like The Hill, Newsweek, Reuters is good. and of course plenty of the rightwing sites, like National Review (my favorite), Daily wire (even though I recently learned here that Shapiro is just a smart guy for dumb people) and I'll go to any leftwing site that runs a story I've not heard of, so long as there is no paywall.

as far as confirmation bias, I agree we both have them. But there are a lot of stories that just don't pass the smell test. things that you can see with your own eyes. I didn't buy into to the stolen election story, and that got me labeled as a never trumper (just as an example from the right) but how could anybody look at Biden and say that he did not have mental decline. I'm just using that example to show you that news organizations are trying to sell us on things that defy what we see with our own eyes. I am certain that I have confirmation biases. But I do try really hard to stand up for what ever looks like the truth until someone can show me I'm wrong. And I admit to being shown I'm wrong often. I am married, after all. 

[mowens]

I think so....

Maybe that's the problem, I can't remember that far back! 

That's pretty much when my emotional maturity reached it's peak.

[beej]

Were you never a child?


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you need to forgive smit, he comes from Kansas, and those kansas folks just aren't all that bright. 

[Smit]

I tend to go to places that have both left and right opinions, like The Hill, Newsweek, Reuters is good. and of course plenty of the rightwing sites, like National Review (my favorite), Daily wire (even though I recently learned here that Shapiro is just a smart guy for dumb people) and I'll go to any leftwing site that runs a story I've not heard of, so long as there is no paywall.

as far as confirmation bias, I agree we both have them. But there are a lot of stories that just don't pass the smell test. things that you can see with your own eyes. I didn't buy into to the stolen election story, and that got me labeled as a never trumper (just as an example from the right) but how could anybody look at Biden and say that he did not have mental decline. I'm just using that example to show you that news organizations are trying to sell us on things that defy what we see with our own eyes. I am certain that I have confirmation biases. But I do try really hard to stand up for what ever looks like the truth until someone can show me I'm wrong. And I admit to being shown I'm wrong often. I am married, after all. 

Your sources are nearly always more reliable than the majority of your Republican brothers. True fact.

As far as being married goes, most people learn to accept they're wrong even if they're right just to make life easier in the short term! 

[beej]

As far as being married goes, most people learn to accept they're wrong even they're right just to make life easier in the short term!

I'm not even going along to get along. She's just flat out right most of the time.

[neurosis]

Daily wire (even though I recently learned here that Shapiro is just a smart guy for dumb people)

Let me clarify what I mean by that.

In the past, Shapiro tried to be objective but also injected opinion in to his reporting. He was honest about that so you knew what you were getting.

Then, at some point, he became just like every other hard right news source. Reporting half of the story in a very one sided way, constantly reporting on subjects as if the world were coming to an end. I feel like the same thing has happened to Megyn Kelly. Though I do feel like Megyn at least attempts to be objective *some times*. A lot of people listen to Ben just because he tells them what they want to hear and he knows where his bread is buttered so to speak.

I think that Saagar and Shapiro are both very smart, but I trust Saagar to be truthful in his reporting. I don't with Ben. You'll also notice that Saagar has a fraction of the audience that Ben does because neither side want's to hear the truth and that makes him unpopular. They just want to hear things that support what they already believe and Saagar has too much integrity, at least for now, to cater to that type of reporting.

The show he does also has progressive journalists so opinions and perspectives from both sides are challenged.

Damn.. it sounds like I have a crush on the guy.   

[beej]

If Cambridge Analytica was a false story I'd like to know why

when that story broke, the uproar was because of the fact that the Trump campaign bought data and used it to target voters on social media. That was true. The thing that didn't get reported was the fact that Obama had done the same thing, in previous elections. But the NYTimes never reported or cared about that until republicans started to utilize the same techniques.

[beej]

Reporting half of the story in a very one sided way, constantly reporting on subjects as if the world were coming to an end.

could you give me a "for instance".  He was hated by a lot of right wingers when he talked about the stolen election conspiracies. Maybe you mean more recently than that.

[mowens]

you need to forgive smit, he comes from Kansas, and those kansas folks just aren't all that bright. 

Why I oughta......

[neurosis]

could you give me a "for instance".  He was hated by a lot of right wingers when he talked about the stolen election conspiracies. Maybe you mean more recently than that.

Yes, he was getting shit on hard by the right because he said, paraphrasing, stop the steal is a nonsense narrative. He also criticized Trump quite a bit during his first campaign.

I'd have to go back and re-listen to some of the episodes that caused me to change my opinion on him. It was over a year ago.  One of the things that did it was a debate he was in. I can't remember who it was with but he was using proven false talking points as his arguments and it made me lose a lot of respect for him.

And don't get me wrong. I'm not putting him on the same level as a Tucker Carlson.    I just don't feel like I'm getting information from him (Ben) that gives me the ability to put together a well informed opinion.

[beej]

I can't remember who it was with but he was using proven false talking points as his arguments and it made me lose a lot of respect for him.

I'd love to know what that was. but I don't blame you if you don't want to spend the time to look for it. But at the same time, that is one thing. Most people don't give up on a trusted source because of one thing. I have a hard time believing your other news sources haven't gotten one thing wrong at some point.

[Jeff]

using proven false talking points

You mean like these false talking points?
Hitler
Nazi
Racist
Homophobic
Xenophobic
Misogynist
Insurrection
"Good people"
34 felonies
Rapist

[neurosis]

I'd love to know what that was. but I don't blame you if you don't want to spend the time to look for it. But at the same time, that is one thing. Most people don't give up on a trusted source because of one thing. I have a hard time believing your other news sources haven't gotten one thing wrong at some point.

It wasn't one thing. It developed over about six months. I just remember him saying things that I knew were b/s. He would also report on a person manipulating what they said in to something they didn't mean and he was doing that a LOT. I knew he was doing it because I would hear the entire conversation in context and it was obvious that Ben was pushing a narrative. Whether he believed it himself or not, I have no idea. Real journalists don't tell you what someone said, and then tell you what that someone meant by it. 

[Smit]

I can't remember who it was with but he was using proven false talking points as his arguments and it made me lose a lot of respect for him.

Wasn't that the inverview with Andrew Neil, who Shapiro assumed was a liberal and eventually walked off.

He (Shapiro) later found out Neil was not a radical lefty, admitted Neil "destroyed" him, and apologized if I remember correctly.