Go blind and get arrested

[beej]

My ethical question is from my own life experience. Not necessarily me personally, but the people I was raised with. Most of them are in prison, dead, or drug addicts.

Every time my Cousin gets out of prison or jail, the first thing he does is go steal my aunts car and as much money as he can get so he can go out and get more drugs. I don't think he stays out of the street for more than a couple of months at a time.

While, I get it, that you look at someone like that and think, it would have been better if they had been aborted before they were born. It's a pretty sketchy policy to start picking ahead of time who will succeed and who won't and basing abortions on that. I mean, if you dislike fascism, you'd have to run from that pretty hard.

[neurosis]

While, I get it, that you look at someone like that and think, it would have been better if they had been aborted before they were born. It's a pretty sketchy policy to start picking ahead of time who will succeed and who won't and basing abortions on that. I mean, if you dislike fascism, you'd have to run from that pretty hard.

These were kids that were unwanted mistake children. Inconveniences. And they were treated like inconveniences. Anyone who knew their parents knew that ahead of time. Most born in Texas or Alabama between 1965 and 1970.

These kids were a generation in to a cycle of dysfunction. Maybe 2.

I've told parts of this story before.

[Incogneeto]

These were kids that were unwanted mistake children. Inconveniences. And they were treated like inconveniences. Anyone who knew their parents knew that ahead of time. Most born in Texas or Alabama between 1965 and 1970.

These kids were a generation in to a cycle of dysfunction. Maybe 2.

I've told parts of this story before.

Beej Should have Clarified.

No Politics , No Religion , No personal experiences.

Trust me you and I both went through a lot of the same.

Bruised and Battered.

It Influences us in ways unlike others.  

[neurosis]

It Influences us

I thought it was important to explain where my views came from.

Out of that entire family, only one child was ever adopted out. I pointed out the year range they were born in because abortion wasn't an option back then. I don't know that is an option they would have taken. Maybe not. Every single one of these families were on public assistance. The more kids they had, the more money they got. I'm not sure that any of the kids had the same father.

In my family alone, I have a sister and a brother. The brother I just found out about several years back. The brother was the only kid that was adopted out. None of us had the same father. My mother spent her entire life on public assistance. I think she still gets snap benefits today. So does my sister, and all of my sisters children.

[beej]

I thought it was important to explain where my views came from.

Out of that entire family, only one child was ever adopted out. I pointed out the year range they were born in because abortion wasn't an option back then. I don't know that is an option they would have taken. Maybe not. Every single one of these families were on public assistance. The more kids they had, the more money they got. I'm not sure that any of the kids had the same father.

In my family alone, I have a sister and a brother. The brother I just found out about several years back. The brother was the only kid that was adopted out. None of us had the same father. My mother spent her entire life on public assistance. I think she still gets snap benefits today. So does my sister, and all of my sisters children.

have you spent any time listening to Jordan Peterson's views on the value of suffering? I know a lot of people don't like his politics. But his views on suffering are not political, but very insightful, IMO. They come from his time as a clinical psychologist.

[neurosis]

have you spent any time listening to Jordan Peterson's views on the value of suffering? I know a lot of people don't like his politics. But his views on suffering are not political, but very insightful, IMO. They come from his time as a clinical psychologist.

I think he's talking more about the day to day suffering that the majority of us go through. I'm not sure he would find value in a little girl being molested, turning to prostitution because they have no future, then becoming a drug addict and ending up in prison. 

[beej]

I think he's talking more about the day to day suffering that the majority of us go through. I'm not sure he would find value in a little girl being molested, turning to prostitution because they have no future, then becoming a drug addict and ending up in prison. 

I would have to get into my Christian Faith to explain the way I understand his lectures. I've been trying to avoid that here. I'll just say that I know a woman, who went through that exact pattern, maybe not in the same order. But she has come through it, and works with our prison ministry that we do. It's always a powerful moment when she shares her story. I wish everyone could hear it.

[mowens]

Go, as an observer, to an open AA meeting. You will hear some astonishing stories.

[mkd]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Society

The great society turned out opposite of what it claimed to be. Anything but great when women can marry the state, through welfare instead of wedlock and indiscriminately kill babies through fanciful SCOTUS leaps of logic allow it.

[CNCAppsJames]

Go, as an observer, to an open AA meeting. You will hear some astonishing stories.

Somebody ALWAYS has it worse than we do and a lot of times they come through it. Scarred all to hell. But still survived. When I was in rehab we had to go to AA/NA meetings as part of our treatment. There's people that have had tragedy after tragedy inflicted upon them yet still, they choose to not wallow in that victimhood mentality and live in victory.

It's almost as if they believe they have... AGENCY in their life. :O

How we choose to deal with adversity defines our outlook in life.

[mowens]

They believe they have help from a higher power, whatever that may be to them.