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[neurosis]

it would have been hard for me to take that any other way than a class warfare argument. there is nuance, then, that I am missing.

I edited my post above, but you'd quoted it before I could repost.

I'll post this question again but frame it differently.

When someone like James says "you'll own nothing and like it", what does he mean by that? Is that a class warfare argument?

[beej]

I edited my post above, but you'd quoted it before I could repost.

I'll post this question again but frame it differently.

When someone like James says "you'll own nothing and like it", what does he mean by that? Is that a class warfare argument?

It sounds like a pejorative statement against communism. and communism is based completely on class warfare.

[Del.]

I ask for specifics and you insult my intelligence.

Good luck and I'm pulling for you.

[YoDoug]

The robots that you are programming are making your own boss wealthier while eliminating potential jobs for machine operators. Are you conflicted in that?

Not at all. We use robots to move labor from meaningless jobs to jobs that help grow the company. When I started here almost 8 years ago I was employee number 10 or 11. We just crossed 50 employees and we are still hiring. We also pay higher wages that most other employers in town for entry level positions. We also train and promote from within. Most of our machinists started on the saws or other entry positions. Our owner is a good man. He is focused on growing the company, not buying new corvettes, lake houses, and boats like most of the other owners I have worked for.

[neurosis]

It sounds like a pejorative statement against communism. and communism is based completely on class warfare.

Well, when James pulls it out in a conversation, it's usually (could have been Jim?) in the context of Democrats taxing the crap out of you and taking all of your money. But as another example, it's also come up in conversations about private equity firms buying up all the realestate and driving housing (and rent) prices up so high in certain areas that the chance of homeownership is out of reach for most middle and upper middle class people living in those areas.

[beej]

But as another example, it's also come up in conversations about private equity firms buying up all the realestate and driving housing (and rent) prices up so high in certain areas that the chance of homeownership is out of reach for most middle and upper middle class people living in those areas.

https://www.housingwire.com/articles/no-wall-street-investors-havent-bought-44-of-homes-this-year/

[YoDoug]

To understand where we are as human society and where we are going it requires a paradigm shift in thinking. Traditionally human beings contributed in two ways in society, as consumers and as producers. This is changing rapidly. We saw the change start over the last century in terms in the industrial revolution and reduction in the need for physical labor. With advancing technology and AI this is happening to more forms of human labor even faster. That being said the value of human contribution to society is largely shifting to just that of a consumer. In our traditional society the deal given was the dream of the middle class in exchange for your production. As your contribution is going to shift to consumer the large compensation needed for that dream, large ticket items like homes, cars, 401k' etc, is no longer sustainable. Hence the "you will own nothing and like it".

Homes. The cost of homes and the wages needed to support private homeownership no longer works. In many markets now we see corporate ownership of 10%-20% or more. This is being driven by large corp like Blackstone and others buying up a significant portion of the homes. now, they are holding back some because if they buy up too many, drive up the prices too high, the market will crash. This is a controlled planned to eliminate the middle class home dream.

Cars. A few years back Tesla was promising a $25K vehicle everyone could afford. Today that idea has been replaced by robotaxi. Likewise auto sales keep declining as more people cannot afford new cars.

401K's. As the job market rapidly shrinks from AI and automation so will 401k's.

UBI. As less human labor is needed, in order for corp profits to be sustained there will need to be some sort of UBI. this will be just enough to keep you in their rentals, with devices to consume their media, consume their mass produced food and pharma. For a select few it will be a little more so you can have a bigger rental, better clothes, etc. This will be the new dream they sell you.

Elimination of millionaires. In order to sustain this UBI/consumer driven economy taxes will be needed. These taxes and regs will be bought by the billionaire class to target the wealth production of the millionaire class. They will come after small business.

Monopolies and Anti-trust. They have already figured this out. It's called universal ownership. Blackrock, Vanguard, and StateStreet have figured out if they own just enough of everything, but not too much, they are not a monopoly. Enough though that they can drive things in the direction that profits them. They also own just enough of each other to make it advantageous for them all to agree on that direction.

Red vs Blue. Nevermind the man behind the curtain. Fighting about gun ownership or pronouns or which bathroom get used by who is just a distraction to keep you from realizing the above truths. The hype=partisan rhetoric is designed to keep you down.

How does this affect older Americans now? Largely older Americans will be fine. they have enough invested and enough equity in their homes. Now rising health costs and taxes may knock a good deal of people out of the comfortable retirement they were planning. The biggest change is going to happen in a decade or two as boomers start dying off and passing on their inheritance. Many will have dwindled savings/wealth as healthcare costs will consume it. For others that leave inheritance the receiver of said inheritance may not be able to afford to keep those homes and businesses.

Short of a life-on-earth altering event like a comet, nuclear war, Jesus coming back, etc., I really don't know how we change this future. I do however think that we should stop blindly defending those that are driving us towards that future and call them out.

[YoDoug]

https://www.housingwire.com/articles/no-wall-street-investors-havent-bought-44-of-homes-this-year/

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/16/blackstone-is-buying-rental-homes-again-heres-why.html

[neurosis]

https://www.housingwire.com/articles/no-wall-street-investors-havent-bought-44-of-homes-this-year/

"Wall Street investors had bought 44% of all homes in America in 2023"

I'm not making that claim. But you can look up how investors *are* purchasing rental properties in targeted areas which not only makes rent unaffordable, but raises housing prices in those areas.  Note that I said "those areas".

[Incogneeto]

Short of a life-on-earth altering event like a comet, nuclear war, Jesus coming back, etc., I really don't know how we change this future. I do however think that we should stop blindly defending those that are driving us towards that future and call them out.

 

Ok so here. Toyota coming in. Buys up all the properties. Rent skyrockets , housing shortage!!

Toyota uses the housing for it's transferable employees.

Rent skyrockets!! what about the Poor poopies.??

Toyota hires them. pays them well.

And assists them in home purchases. also vehicles. Medical , Fire protection and donates to Thousands of Charities.

They don't report the benefits just the Dr. Doom side of it.

The purchase of those properties spurred dramatic growth for the entire area.

New housing blew up.

This was in 2006 and it is still growing.

[Newbeeee™]

"Wall Street investors had bought 44% of all homes in America in 2023"

I'm not making that claim. But you can look up how investors *are* purchasing rental properties in targeted areas which not only makes rent unaffordable, but raises housing prices in those areas.  Note that I said "those areas".

This was by memory, the Blackrock plan just before the plandemic....they announced they will be, the largest private landlord in the near future.
Within a few months, in the UK Lloyds bank announced the same for the UK. They were going to be the biggest private landlord.
Just a coincidence - carry on

[YoDoug]

Ok so here. Toyota coming in. Buys up all the properties. Rent skyrockets , housing shortage!!

Toyota uses the housing for it's transferable employees.

Rent skyrockets!! what about the Poor poopies.??

Toyota hires them. pays them well.

And assists them in home purchases. also vehicles. Medical , Fire protection and donates to Thousands of Charities.

They don't report the benefits just the Dr. Doom side of it.

The purchase of those properties spurred dramatic growth for the entire area.

New housing blew up.

This was in 2006 and it is still growing.

You are still thinking in the old paradigm. Between robots and AI, Toyota will be drastically cutting those jobs in the next decade.

[Newbeeee™]

Talking aye, eye....had a convo with a UK mate today who has a very small business.

VAT is a 1/4ly demand there for all UK businesses (value added tax - +21% on all purchases and sales invoices)

This will make you laugh, I spotted a few errors / typos in the VAT return for this qtr. We used to compile all the paperwork and drop it off at the accountants every qtr (but I kept my own tally). Recently we have been asked to go "paper free" and just email them the invoices as they come in. They also asked that we setup auto forwarding for common suppliers like Farnell, RS, Mouser etc.
Anyway having spotted the errors I gave them a call and asked to speak to Ilanah..... sorry she doesn't work here anymore.......Oh, OK can I speak to Weronika,....... sorry she doesn't work here anymore. I'm Jessica can I help...... I explained the problem and she said Oh that's just AI learning your booking codes....... AI I said?, Yes she said, we don't enter invoices manually anymore, when you send in the invoices, these go straight to Sage Cloud and it AI's them, extracts the data and makes the accounts entry. We then check them all at the end of the qtr prior to submission.
Apparently everyone is going to Sage Cloud or Xero accounting etc, so the only way to stay competitive is to sack your staff and use AI instead!

[Incogneeto]

You are still thinking in the old paradigm. Between robots and AI, Toyota will be drastically cutting those jobs in the next decade.

Maybe so , but for 20 years they have fueled this area. And another plant is soon to open.

https://wkdq.com/honda-to-move-new-vehicle-production-from-mexico-to-indiana/

So your bitch don't work.

They will buy up houses and create the same growth.

Sorry for minnie ass polis.

Try a different approach??

Politics matter . Choices matter.

Vote Blue.

[YoDoug]

Maybe so , but for 20 years they have fueled this area. And another plant is soon to open.

https://wkdq.com/honda-to-move-new-vehicle-production-from-mexico-to-indiana/

So your bitch don't work.

They will buy up houses and create the same growth.

Sorry for minnie ass polis.

Try a different approach??

Politics matter . Choices matter.

Vote Blue.

Ignorance is bliss. Right now Toyota and Honda need to build cars. Right now they need more humans to do that. In the coming years those humans will be replaced by robots and AI. Once upon a time manual machinist said those fancy NC machines won't be able to do my job. Unless you have been using AI for a bit and have personally seen how fast it is progressing, it is hard to comprehend. However it is real and it is progressing at a crazy rate. When Toyota can use AI and robots and not have to buy all those houses to house employees, do you think they still will out of the goodness of their corporate heart?