the switch

[Incogneeto]

Nope.
Sorry Matt for being a total dickhead.

Did you mean Him?? or You???

Please be more specific.

[Incogneeto]

Me for being stupid and not knowing anything about 1st year biology

My first year of Biology was 7th grade.

Her name was Diana. My next door Neighbor.

Apparently Matt attended a school of Higher edumacation.

All I know is afterwards I wanted a smoke.

[Incogneeto]

I just make stuff up as I go and rely on everyone else to not know what I'm talking about. 

That's a given.

In golf it's a gimme.

In sports...It's uncontested.

Social media...nuff Said.

[Incogneeto]

Yeh - There's so many things i need to do catch up on!
Fully understand about brain removal as we don't use much anyway.
Some less than others (you know who you are )
Significantly alter the pattern (brain) and yes, not the same person anymore.

Imma bet Matt has never seen "One flew over the cuckoo's nest"

[CNCAppsJames]

There are questions in the physical realm that logic and so-called "settled science" cannot fully comprehend/explain so they attribute them to "evolution" and everything else but the truth.

The fact of the matter is that "science" cannot create something from nothing and no the graphene experiment/theory in what was it 2020? That doesn't count. Why doesn't it count you ask? Because in order to "create" the thing, (presumably) very intelligent people put their handiwork into making it happen. Dare I say "Intelligent Designers"? Thus acted upon by an outside force not just some random event.

So no, we cannot get something from nothing. At the very least it required outside intervention, thus the existence of an intelligent designer of us and all things is not only probable, it is a certainty.

[Incogneeto]

There are questions in the physical realm that logic and so-called "settled science" cannot fully comprehend/explain so they attribute them to "evolution" and everything else but the truth.

The fact of the matter is that "science" cannot create something from nothing and no the graphene experiment/theory in what was it 2020? That doesn't count. Why doesn't it count you ask? Because in order to "create" the thing, (presumably) very intelligent people put their handiwork into making it happen. Dare I say "Intelligent Designers"? Thus acted upon by an outside force not just some random event.

So no, we cannot get something from nothing. At the very least it required outside intervention, thus the existence of an intelligent designer of us and all things is not only probable, it is a certainty.

Some people you just can't reach.

[Matthew Hajicek]

There are questions in the physical realm that logic and so-called "settled science" cannot fully comprehend/explain so they attribute them to "evolution" and everything else but the truth.

The fact of the matter is that "science" cannot create something from nothing and no the graphene experiment/theory in what was it 2020? That doesn't count. Why doesn't it count you ask? Because in order to "create" the thing, (presumably) very intelligent people put their handiwork into making it happen. Dare I say "Intelligent Designers"? Thus acted upon by an outside force not just some random event.

So no, we cannot get something from nothing. At the very least it required outside intervention, thus the existence of an intelligent designer of us and all things is not only probable, it is a certainty.

Science doesn't do anything.  Science is what we call the careful and methodical study of the universe and its rules.  If magic were real, the study of magic would be a branch of science.  If the supernatural were real, the study of the supernatural would be a branch of science.  People have done scientific experiments to test the assertions made by assertions of the supernatural, and all peer-reviewed and reproducible results have falsified them.

If you doubt something coming from nothing, google "quantum foam".

The hypothesis of Christian religion also requires something from nothing; it requires a self-creating creator.  Unless you're conditioned to believe in that from a young age, that's pretty far fetched and hard to swallow.

[Matthew Hajicek]

So, where does conscious thought come from and how did it develop? and next question: Why does it seem to be so rare in the natural world? And third question, why does conscious thought (which is just electric impulses) give a human being rights, that a human being without conscious thought would not have?

Depending on how you define it, consciousness is not at all rare.  Do you define it as being aware of oneself and ones surroundings?  If so, even insects have a basic level of consciousness.  A robot that maps its surroundings and does object avoidance has a basic level of consciousness.

[Matthew Hajicek]

Here's a good read on the topic of consciousness:

https://waitbutwhy.com/2014/10/religion-for-the-nonreligious.html

[CNCAppsJames]

@Matthew Hajicek either you're right and I'm wrong in which case, at the end of my life I cease to exist... orrrrrrrr, I'm right and you're wrong and you get to live an eternity based on your belief (or lack thereof).

Are you willing to bet an eternity on a bunch of "scientists" that have been wrong FAR more often than they have been right over the millenia? IOW, if I'm wrong, really it's no biggie. If you're wrong however... well... I would DEFINITELY would not want to be in your shoes. The choice is yours to make.

[Matthew Hajicek]

@Matthew Hajicek either you're right and I'm wrong in which case, at the end of my life I cease to exist... orrrrrrrr, I'm right and you're wrong and you get to live an eternity based on your belief (or lack thereof).

Are you willing to bet an eternity on a bunch of "scientists" that have been wrong FAR more often than they have been right over the millenia? IOW, if I'm wrong, really it's no biggie. If you're wrong however... well... I would DEFINITELY would not want to be in your shoes. The choice is yours to make.

The problem with Pascal's wager is the false dichotomy.  There are thousands of belief systems; perhaps you guessed wrong and will be punished for worshiping a false god, while those who don't worship any, aren't.  Or, as I think is far more likely, you base your life decisions on the assumption of an afterlife and in fear of offending a supreme being that no one understands (and everyone disagrees about), and as such don't make optimal choices.

As I think it's very likely that when I die I will cease, this life is all I have, and I have to make it count.  I have but one lifetime with which to make a positive impact on the world.

[beej]

Depending on how you define it, consciousness is not at all rare.  Do you define it as being aware of oneself and ones surroundings?  If so, even insects have a basic level of consciousness.  A robot that maps its surroundings and does object avoidance has a basic level of consciousness.

but how do you define it? You said a person is not a person without conscious thoughts but then you said insects have them.

[CNCAppsJames]

There are thousands of belief systems; perhaps you guessed wrong and will be punished for worshiping a false god, while those who don't worship any, aren't.

The one True God and all the other false gods have demands. Perhaps I did chose wrong and I will have to answer for that at some point. However, either I am right about there being a Creator or you are right and there is not.

[Matthew Hajicek]

but how do you define it? You said a person is not a person without conscious thoughts but then you said insects have them.

Read that "Wait But Why" link I posted a few messages up.  Having or not having consciousness is not binary; it's a continuum from less conscious to more conscious.  But yes, when you are in a deep sleep and not dreaming, an insect is more conscious than you (unless it's sleeping too!)

[Matthew Hajicek]

The one True God and all the other false gods have demands. Perhaps I did chose wrong and I will have to answer for that at some point. However, either I am right about there being a Creator or you are right and there is not.

Do you believe that a benevolent deity would punish for all eternity anyone who didn't guess right?  'Cause that doesn't sound very benevolent to me.  That sounds petty and jealous, childish even.  A god like that wouldn't be worthy of worship.

Have you studied the evolution of religion?  The Bible didn't just appear one day, falling out of the heavens.  Ancient legends from previous religions were collected, added, removed, and edited to convey the message that the rulers of the day wanted conveyed, repeatedly over many generations.  It is not possible for there to be one truth in religion.