Vericut now offering Post Processors

[Here's Johnny!]

Got my annual Vericut renewal and there was a blurb at the bottom...

"Is your company looking to implement new Complex CNC machines and require a Post Processor?

CGTech now offers Post Processors that integrate with your existing CAM System and VERICUT."

[JParis]

I have to wonder if that's not through ICAM....

[Here's Johnny!]

I have to wonder if that's not through ICAM....

Possibly or from Postability now they are under the same roof.

[JParis]

Possibly or from Postability now they are under the same roof.

That one, while possible, would surprise me...ICAM is kind of left out in the cold here. Simulation looks to be driven more so by Vericut. I think that to get value out of the ICAM purchase, that is the most likely way it happens...

Time will tell I guess

[gcode]

I'm guessing these will be ICAM supplied.
ICAM already offers this technology (post and simulation)
It is really excellent, but when I dealt with ICAM back in 2013/2014 they treated Mastercam like a red headed stepchild.
They did not even have a copy of Mastercam for their post developers.
The guy developing my Okuma 5XHMC post did not know the first thing about MC.
He was a CATIA guy and you could feel his disdain for MC burning through the phone lines.
I'd send him an NCI file and 2 or 3 weeks later, I'd get back the requested edit.
That made developing MISC INT driven features next to impossible as he could not test his work.
I worked with them for 2 years.
When maintenance renewal came up at the end of year 2 I bagged it and moved on to Postability.

[gcode]

ICAM it is
I found this on Vericut's website.

Given that VC is expensive and ICAM is expensive I'm betting you're looking at an eye popping price for one of these
systems... but I'll bet they are excellent once they are dialed in.

edit
I think the development process might be kind of cumbersome, at least in the beginning.
Until the ICAM and Cgetch guys are cross trained you are may be dealing at 2 different tech support teams
when working up your post.

unless.... GCtech is just going to slap a Vericut sticker on it and sell you an ICAM product?

[gcode]

But Wait!!   There's More!!

[gcode]

I went to web page where you request a quote
It looks like they are selling Vericut Machines and providing the option of buying an ICAM post.

[JParis]

I went to web page where you request a quote
It looks like they are selling Vericut Machines and providing the option of buying an ICAM post.

Seeing how many whine about buying a specialized post, I can only imagine the vapor lock some are going to go through when they get THAT quote lol

[gcode]

You can buy an integrated machine sim/post from ICAM.
I've never had a chance to try one.
The ICAM post we had for our Okuma 5X HMC was pretty nice too.
It was intelligent and took the shortest path to the next location.
That was sweet but sometimes scared the crap out of the operator.

I wonder if they will be integrating ICAM posts with Vericut Machines??

[JParis]

I wonder if they will be integrating ICAM posts with Vericut Machines??

You thinking along the lines of what Camplete does?

That would be an interesting marriage

[gcode]

You thinking along the lines of what Camplete does?

I've never tried it, but I believe that's what the ICAM Virtual Machine
already does
I'm wondering if they are going to port that capability into Vericut machines.

In the sample I linked to they are posting APT into gcode and simulating it at the same time.

That seems problematic for Mastercam  as you'd have to post APT out of Mastercam, then run that through
the VirtualMachine/Post application.. 
I've used Mastercam to APT posts in the past, but it's been years and they were never 100% plug and play

[JakeL]

When we were shopping around for verification software a lot of our guys were leaning towards ICAM because "they have verification AND we can update all our old posts with ICAM". The post creation demo they showed was very attractive too, not sure how it would be in practical use. The verification was good but Vericut was just better.

We almost bought ICAM but when they asked who wanted to be in charge of doing all the post updating I was the only one to raise my hand. My bosses response was "we just had a meeting yesterday about how to get things OFF your plate so you have more time to program, I'm not putting this on your plate".

A few days later him and I had a conversation that concluded with both of us realizing it would be way easier and cheaper to outsource post development. We use Postibility now.

[JParis]

When we were shopping around for verification software a lot of our guys were leaning towards ICAM because "they have verification AND we can update all our old posts with ICAM".

When i initially looked at Vericut, ICAM and Camplete,

Camplete was upfront about they couldn't do the machines I needed
Vericut did their thing and came across very well...
ICAM, after sending all the info, went radio siient...

and of course we just went with Vericut

A few days later him and I had a conversation that concluded with both of us realizing it would be way easier and cheaper to outsource post development. We use Postibility now.

Yeah, when it comes to posts, there isn't a post here that I can't have done. The end of the day though, my time is too valuable doing other things, so like you, if I need a new post, I buy it....Postability is my goto.

I've never tried it, but I believe that's what the ICAM Virtual Machine
already does

Yes, ICAM does it but they seemingly have little traction, especially in the smaller shop arena. Creating something in Vericut would open doors that are likely, if not closed, shut very tightly.

It'll be interesting to see over the next 12-18 months how this shakes itself out

[JakeL]

When i initially looked at Vericut, ICAM and Camplete,

I didn't get to see a Camplete demo.

We already had Camplete for a post for a Yasda we had bought a few years ago. I never got a chance to use it because I never programmed anything for that machine. But if you mentioned Camplete around the couple guys who did program for it, they'd always complain about how non-user-friendly it was.

We ended up getting a Postibility Yasda post and cutting Camplete about a year ago. I always wondered if Camplete was actually not user friendly, or if the guys who used it were just old dogs who had a tough time learning new tricks.