Yesterday's Shooting

[Matthew Hajicek]

Middle ground and common sense no longer exists on anything. Choose a side and the other side hates you for it. Civil War is inching closer.

And this was your response to my middle-ground viewpoint:

You couldn't have written a worse scenario to the already bad situation.

[Del.]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=9623 time=1618425012 user_id=57]

Middle ground and common sense no longer exists on anything. Choose a side and the other side hates you for it. Civil War is inching closer.

And this was your response to my middle-ground viewpoint:

You couldn't have written a worse scenario to the already bad situation.

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That wasn't directed at you just that in an already tense trial in Minnesota, another black man killed by a cop.

[TylerBeer]

A hand gun safety is a very specific form factor and feel, how the hell do you mistake that for a taser safety

[CNCAppsJames]

I'm wondering what the rookie in training is thinking about all of this.

I need to rethink my career choice

That's probably not too terribly far from the truth.

[ghuns]

A hand gun safety is a very specific form factor and feel, how the hell do you mistake that for a taser safety

Most of the handguns guns police carry today have no external safety.

[TylerBeer]

A hand gun safety is a very specific form factor and feel, how the hell do you mistake that for a taser safety

Most of the handguns guns police carry today have no external safety.

well shit, fair enough - the holster has a specific latch, but didn't know about no external button, that makes sense

[Matthew Hajicek]

That wasn't directed at you just that in an already tense trial in Minnesota, another black man killed by a cop.

Ah, that makes sense now.  Thanks for the clarification.

[Matthew Hajicek]

A hand gun safety is a very specific form factor and feel, how the hell do you mistake that for a taser safety

Most of the handguns guns police carry today have no external safety.

Yep, most pistols designed for carry have no external safety, just a trigger safety on most.  My CZ-75 BD has a decocker and no safety at all.  The thought is you don't want to be fumbling with a safety when someone's shooting at you.

My thought is that people tend to run internal macros.  Driving to work is a macro; I walk out the door at home and the rest happens mostly without conscious thought until I walk in the door at work.  Pulling out my leatherman and opening it to the tool I want is a macro.  Sometimes I run the wrong macro; I start driving to work when I meant to drive somewhere else, or as I mentioned before I might pull out and open my pocket knife when I wanted the scissors on my leatherman.  I imagine even if you hade to perform some specific and fairly complicated procedure to activate your pistol, that would become a macro after enough practice, and if you run the wrong macro it'll be done before you know it.  And for me, this is just distraction and laziness; for these officers they're under much more stress and time pressure.

[Del.]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=9632 time=1618426767 user_id=57]

That wasn't directed at you just that in an already tense trial in Minnesota, another black man killed by a cop.

Ah, that makes sense now.  Thanks for the clarification.
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YW.

[marshal]

The cop has been arrested and will be charged with manslaughter
It wouldn't surprise me to see the entire police force walk off the job

https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wright-shooting-minnesota-brooklyn-center-officer-kim-potter-charge">https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wrigh ... ter-charge">https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wright-shooting-minnesota-brooklyn-center-officer-kim-potter-charge

other than the mayor being a moron, why would the cops be mad about her being arrested?  She should be charged, she fucked up and killed a person, that's manslaughter.

[gcode]

substitute muscle memory for macro
Muscle memory is what they train to achieve
They train drawing the weapon, the correct grip and stance
then sight alignment, sight picture, the fire /no fire decision tree, then proper trigger squeeze.
They work on this until the officer can do it under conditions of extreme stress, injury or distraction
without conscience thought.
In one sense the training worked. She did exactly what she'd been trained to do.
An accurate well placed shot under extreme stress.... sadly, she did it with the wrong weapon
and her life as she knows it  is over

[CNCAppsJames]

Imagine how this would have gone had he just complied.... sure, he most likely would be incarcerated, but that's because he had warrants NOT because he had expired tags.

Yes sir/maam, no sir/maam, have your day in court and live. Try to escape and/or evade... well, that choice could quite possibility end badly. How badly depends entirely on the situation and the officer(s) involved training/experience level. Better to stack more cards in your favor than to give your cards to someone else and hoe for the best. JM2CFWIW

What I see is a VERY bad mistake. She meant to take out her taser, accidentally took out her gun. Boom. Her career is over. His life is over.

In ALL of my formal (sitting in a classroom and/or at the range) firearms training I've taken over the years ONE thing has been made abundantly clear in ALL of it, in the heat of the moment "We don't rise to the level of our expectations, we fall to the level of our training." Archilochus

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They are talking about taking the guns away from cops in montreal.

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/police-brotherhood-blasts-projet-montreal-plan-to-review-firearms">https://montrealgazette.com/news/local- ... w-firearms">https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/police-brotherhood-blasts-projet-montreal-plan-to-review-firearms

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substitute muscle memory for macro
Muscle memory is what they train to achieve
They train drawing the weapon, the correct grip and stance
then sight alignment, sight picture, the fire /no fire decision tree, then proper trigger squeeze.
They work on this until the officer can do it under conditions of extreme stress, injury or distraction
without conscience thought.
In one sense the training worked. She did exactly what she'd been trained to do.
An accurate well placed shot under extreme stress.... sadly, she did it with the wrong weapon
and her life as she knows it  is over

I think the easiest solution is to take away the tasers, obviously cops are too dumb.

This equates to an operator putting a facemill in the machine instead an endmill... stoooopid

[gcode]

The cop has been arrested and will be charged with manslaughter
It wouldn't surprise me to see the entire police force walk off the job

https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wright-shooting-minnesota-brooklyn-center-officer-kim-potter-charge">https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wrigh ... ter-charge">https://www.foxnews.com/us/daunte-wright-shooting-minnesota-brooklyn-center-officer-kim-potter-charge

other than the mayor being a moron, why would the cops be mad about her being arrested?  She should be charged, she fucked up and killed a person, that's manslaughter.

the city government has tried her, convicted her, and thrown her to the wolves while down on their knees
whimpering to the mob,  "Please don't burn the city, we'll burn her instead."
They fired a city manager for stating a simple truth, that she deserved due process.
If the city won't giver her due process, they won't give any other officer on the force due process.
The police would have to be fools to risk their lives for such a cowardly feckless government.