Yesterday's Shooting

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I think the easiest solution is to take away the tasers,

that is part of the problem, the fire/no fire decision tree is much simpler and less absolute
with a less than lethal weapon.
Had she not been carrying a taser, the kid would have got away to be arrested anther day
,or to crash his car and kill an innocent citizen.
His conduct had not yet risen to a level requiring the use of deady force and the cop would not
have drawn a weapon

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the city government has tried her, convicted her, and thrown her to the wolves while down on their knees
whimpering to the mob,  "Please don't burn the city, we'll burn her instead."
They fired a city manager for stating a simple truth, that she deserved due process.
If the city won't giver her due process, they won't give any other officer on the force due process.
The police would have to be fools to risk their lives for such a cowardly feckless government.

I'm not defending the city's actions regarding the city manager by any means, but how is she not getting due process?  She's been booked and charged the same way any of us would if we killed someone...

[Matthew Hajicek]

Yeah, one city council member was quoted as saying she voted to fire the guy out of fear the mob would harm her home and family if she didn't.

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the city government has tried her, convicted her, and thrown her to the wolves while down on their knees
whimpering to the mob,  "Please don't burn the city, we'll burn her instead."
They fired a city manager for stating a simple truth, that she deserved due process.
If the city won't giver her due process, they won't give any other officer on the force due process.
The police would have to be fools to risk their lives for such a cowardly feckless government.

I'm not defending the city's actions regarding the city manager by any means, but how is she not getting due process?  She's been booked and charged the same way any of us would if we killed someone...

she's been booked and charged 2 days after the fact
due process involves hearings, presentation of evidence to a grand jury etc etc etc
under normal circumstances due process takes weeks if not months.
This is more like the line from Blazing Saddles,
"Son, we're going to give you a fair trial, then we're going to hang you."
There isn't anything fair about it.

[CNCAppsJames]

She is most definitely NOT receiving due process. Not by ANY stretch of the imagination. You and I most likely would either be sitting in a cell waiting for arraignment, or put on bail depending on the charges, probability of flight-risk, etc., etc., etc, ...

I always thought tasers were a bad idea for LE to carry. Far too many things can, DO, AND WILL go wrong. There needs to be fewer decisions made in the heat of the moment not more.

[Incogneeto]

All I can say is I was not there.

Everything being said is from the media.

After the last four years.

I don't believe a thing the media says.

That includes every News Source.

There is not one Reporter/Journalist/ News Organization I Trust.

I'm not gonna kick Tyler for his belief in his Media. and I'm not gonna Kick Del.
I Don't want Fish on My Boots.(It Stinks in the morning)

I don't even know how many cops were there at the scene.
What time was it?
who's car was he driving?
What brand of air freshner was it. ? (I ain't Buyin one)

If he was a Felon he should have had 8 cars there blocking him in.

And by the way . I'm a fantastic Monday Morning Quarterback.

you guys are kicking each other over what you heard.

"Believe half of what you see and None of what you hear"

and Matt? This was your chance to go Full anti Cop.

And you actually didn't Bite.  

[Matthew Hajicek]

++ James.

[Del.]

I wonder if in the 25 years she was a cop if she had ever discharged her weapon.

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I think the easiest solution is to take away the tasers,

that is part of the problem, the fire/no fire decision tree is much simpler and less absolute
with a less than lethal weapon.
Had she not been carrying a taser, the kid would have got away to be arrested anther day
,or to crash his car and kill an innocent citizen.
His conduct had not yet risen to a level requiring the use of deady force and the cop would not
have drawn a weapon

Yes, true g, also these non lethal weapons are potentially lethal, and the cops too easily use them, if you have five guys pinning someone down and you need to use a taser, thats fucking sad af.

[CNCAppsJames]

I wonder if in the 25 years she was a cop if she had ever discharged her weapon.

Statistically, only about 3% (the number does fluxuate a percent or two year over year) of LE will ever discharge their weapon in the line of duty. Contrary to what you see on TV shows and movies. It is so rare in fact, of the 10 or so LE professionals (they represent 7 or so different department/agencies) I know, none of them have ever discharged their duty weapons at any place other than the gun range. 2 guys have had to actually draw on a suspect. Most however will unholster their weapon for various reasons. A few of them have had to physically engage a suspect. The stories are interesting. Makes me sad that our ideas of how LE behave on the job comes from unrealistic TV and Movies, and that BS actually shapes people's reality, then to top it off, we take extrordinarily rare incidents and declare there are "systemic" this or that.

In my county alone dispatch took over 1.6 million calls with over 800k calls for service. That's my county alone. Figure there's probably 10x those numbers nationwide in any given year... and we're going to blast an entire profession AND ALL the PEOPLE in it for fewer than 100 questionable incidents... it just ain't right. I'm not saying anyone gets a pass. I'm not saying don't do better. I'm not saying don't demand better. I'm not saying there aren't changes to be made. Just like any bureaucracy, change is slow. Slower than we all want it to be. What I am saying is not all cops are bad and just like in EVERY OTHER profession AND organization on the planet, there will be bad within it. It is impossible to weed it all out, just like it's impossible to weed out al the bad employees where we all work.

JM2CFWIW

[Matthew Hajicek]

[quote="Thee Byte™" post_id=9656 time=1618440581 user_id=50]
Yes, true g, also these non lethal weapons are potentially lethal, and the cops too easily use them, if you have five guys pinning someone down and you need to use a taser, thats fucking sad af.
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Some will pull down your pants and tase you in the balls after they have you cuffed and restrained just 'cause they're feeling pissy.

https://www.kshb.com/news/national/abuse-of-force-body-camera-video-shows-man-tased-11-times-by-officers-in-arizona">https://www.kshb.com/news/national/abus ... in-arizona">https://www.kshb.com/news/national/abuse-of-force-body-camera-video-shows-man-tased-11-times-by-officers-in-arizona

No charges filed against the officer, he's still on patrol.

[CNCAppsJames]

[quote="Thee Byte™" post_id=9656 time=1618440581 user_id=50]... if you have five guys pinning someone down and you need to use a taser, thats fucking sad af.[/quote]


Clearly you've never seen someone on PCP or wacked out on meth.

BITD... 1982 or so, this old cholo in my neighborhood... on PCP... it took 7 cops to get him in custody, that was AFTER he broke 2 sets of handcuffs, 3 deputy's noses, a deputy's femur... the 2nd set of handcuffs caused him a compound fracture of his radius and ulna. I've seen some shit in my day. He was being placed under arrest for an FTA so we heard. Pretty sure he got a few more charges tacked on after that.  

I'm just sayin...

[Matthew Hajicek]

Clearly you've never seen someone on PCP or wacked out on meth.

There are occasional cases of a drugged up hulk needing a whole squad to pin down.  It seems far more common that four or five officers pin down an 18 year old scrawny kid who didn't comply fast enough for the officer's liking, and twist his shoulder until ligaments start snapping.  They don't like being told when they're overstepping their authority, and no, by law you don't get to see my ID or search me.

[TylerBeer]

and a friend of mine who has a law degree and serves in the military, and also a 5'2 black woman got thrown against her car and held for 10 hours at the station on no charges.  So what, you sue the police? Good luck

[CNCAppsJames]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=9661 time=1618456776 user_id=57]

Clearly you've never seen someone on PCP or wacked out on meth.

There are occasional cases of police brutality...
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Free reality fiss for teh cop haters.