Politicians being politicians.

[mowens]

Has the president invoked the Insurrection Act? From what I have read, that's the only legal reason for sending the National Guard into cities without the approval of local and state governments.

[jstell]

Hundreds, if not thousands.
https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=feature

[jstell]

Has the president invoked the Insurrection Act? From what I have read, that's the only legal reason for sending the National Guard into cities without the approval of local and state governments.

Insurrection Act would allow him to send active duty military.  Nat. Guard is supposed to be requested by the state/governor to be deployed in natural disasters or civil unrest.  Drumpf is an un-natural disaster stirring the pot to foment civil unrest.  Looking at some of the stuff in Portland, the ICE agents and other federal enforcement officers have generally been the ones elevating tension and violence near the ICE facility.  In Chicago, Chicago police put themselves between ICE and a neighborhood group, ICE left after gassing the crap out of the neighborhood.  The funniest thing there was that they didn't take wind into their tactical calculations, and the gas mostly drifted back around their cars, filling them when they opened their doors to get in and leave.

[Smit]

Now that we've established Jeff can read and UNDERSTAND words in English...

You really think so?

We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that point. 

[mowens]

Insurrection Act would allow him to send active duty military.  Nat. Guard is supposed to be requested by the state/governor to be deployed in natural disasters or civil unrest.  Drumpf is an un-natural disaster stirring the pot to foment civil unrest.  Looking at some of the stuff in Portland, the ICE agents and other federal enforcement officers have generally been the ones elevating tension and violence near the ICE facility.  In Chicago, Chicago police put themselves between ICE and a neighborhood group, ICE left after gassing the crap out of the neighborhood.  The funniest thing there was that they didn't take wind into their tactical calculations, and the gas mostly drifted back around their cars, filling them when they opened their doors to get in and leave.

The National Guard can be federalized. When that happens, they become subject to the same laws, rules and restrictions as the other branches of the armed forces, including the Insurrection Act. That means there are only a specific set of circumstances in which they can be deployed domestically.

[jstell]

Because TDS.

You really should get that looked at.  I've heard it's incurable, but maybe there's at least palliative treatment.

[jstell]

The National Guard can be federalized. When that happens, they become subject to the same laws, rules and restrictions as the other branches of the armed forces, including the Insurrection Act. That means there are only a specific set of circumstances in which they can be deployed domestically.

Which is probably why the judges in all cases have deemed his deployment of national guard to be not legal.

[jstell]

You really think so?

We're gonna have to agree to disagree on that point. 

No sir, I will concede that you are correct.

[Jeff]

Hundreds, if not thousands.
https://www.propublica.org/article/immigration-dhs-american-citizens-arrested-detained-against-will?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=majorinvestigations&utm_content=feature

ROFL!!!!
Thousands?
Even that liberal rag you cited says 130.

And of course you cite that because it's written in a way that tugs at the heartstrings of you morons.
The left is completely emotional and fear driven, that much is undeniable.
I mean just read it, it's hilarious.

"Held Incommunicado: More than 20 citizens have reported being held for over a day without being able to call their loved ones or a lawyer. In some cases their families couldn't find them."
Awww....
Am I supposed to be outraged about that? Well too damn bad, I'm not.

[neurosis]

ROFL!!!!
Thousands?
Even that liberal rag you cited says 130.

Jeff, there were potentially 1000's of US citizens affected by immigration policy under Obama. Nobody gave a shit about it then. It's not that far of a stretch, especially when a main focus is on deportation right now. No ID + brown = arrested. 

And of course you cite that because it's written in a way that tugs at the heartstrings of you morons.

Heartstrings.   for fucks sakes. Just say "fuck the constitution" and be done with it. This is what cracks me up about people who pretend to be conservatives these days. There is always an excuse to justify the fact that they arent.

[neurosis]

I do have a question for anyone who feels like stepping outside of their tribe for a second.

Since I brought it up. Obama had a lot of the same shit going on as far as US citizens being detained - Were there also the same types of and amount of raids going on back then and they just weren't as public?

[jstell]

Quick AI summary for How do Obama's immigration raids compare to Trump's?

AI Overview
The primary differences between Obama's and Trump's immigration enforcement were Obama's use of specific enforcement priorities versus Trump's policy of prioritizing nearly all undocumented immigrants for removal, leading to higher overall deportation numbers under Obama but different operational focuses.

Obama Administration (2009-2016)
Deportation Numbers: The Obama administration deported more immigrants overall than the Trump administration (first term), earning Obama the moniker "deporter in chief" at the time. It carried out over 3.1 million ICE deportations during his eight years in office, with a peak of over 407,000 in fiscal year 2012.
Priorities: Obama's policy, especially in his second term, focused on deporting individuals who posed threats to national security, border security, and public safety, as well as those convicted of serious crimes. Undocumented immigrants without criminal records who had lived in the U.S. for a long time were generally considered a lower priority.
Enforcement Style: The administration established detailed, tiered enforcement priorities and generally avoided enforcement actions in "sensitive locations" like schools, hospitals, or places of worship. The intent was to use prosecutorial discretion and focus limited resources on the most serious cases.

Trump Administration (2017-2020 and 2025)
Deportation Numbers: Trump's first term had lower overall deportation numbers than Obama's, maxing out at about 269,000 in 2019.
Priorities: Trump's administration effectively removed Obama's tiered priorities, issuing executive orders that made almost all unauthorized immigrants a priority for removal. This included people who had committed minor offenses or no crimes at all.
Enforcement Style: Trump's approach was characterized by a more aggressive, public, and expansive enforcement style, with an increase in arrests of non-criminals and operations in areas previously considered protected. The rhetoric around raids was often more theatrical, with public announcements and a general "zero tolerance" approach that included family separations at the border. The administration also encouraged "self-deportation".

Summary of Comparison
                                                Obama Administration           Trump Administration
Total Deportations (approx.)   ~3.1 million (over 8 years)   ~932,000 (over 4 years)
Enforcement Priorities   
O:  Detailed, tiered priorities focusing on serious criminals and national security threats.
T:  Broad priorities that essentially covered all undocumented immigrants.
Enforcement Locations
O:  Generally avoided "sensitive locations" (schools, hospitals, churches).
T:  Operations conducted in sensitive locations like courthouses and communities were not avoided.
Focus of Raids   
O:  Primarily targeted specific individuals with criminal charges or recent border crossings.
T:  Broad, large-scale coordinated raids targeting a wider range of individuals, often without criminal records.
Rhetoric   
O:  More subdued; deportations were a means to an end, tied to a push for broader immigration reform.
T:  Highly public, often using harsh language and sensationalizing the issue; deportations viewed as an end in themselves.
In essence, while Obama oversaw a higher volume of total removals, Trump's policy was defined by a shift in priorities that targeted a much broader segment of the undocumented population and utilized more aggressive public tactics.

[CNCAppsJames]

And a lot of what ICE is doing has been illegal as well.

Warrantless arrests of US citizens, permanent green card holders with no criminal records, the list goes on.

Distasteful yes. Illegal... that's for SCOTUS to decide not theae two bit activist court jesters with massive reading comprehension problems.

"Warrentless arrests"... happen ALL the time. Probably hundreds of thousands of times per day all across the US. "Warrantless arrests" is about as useful a term as "assault weapon". It's a term meant to inflame and jas no real legal definition.

[CNCAppsJames]

AI Summary...



Do the work yourself... if you're capable.

 

[jstell]

two bit activist court jesters with massive reading comprehension problems.

I didn't know Jeff was a judge in any of these cases.

"Warrentless arrests"... happen ALL the time.

But in ordinary cases you get booked, charged, and stand before a judge.  ICE is skipping all that and just putting people on planes.