Russia Ukraine: War soon?

[neurosis]

As I see it Putin does not agree with being surrounded by Nato. I don't blame him.

He is not only protecting his borders , But his ability to protect himself.

So is/was Russia ever in danger of being attacked by Ukraine or Nato? 

How is invading Ukraine "protecting his boarders"?  That would be like us invading Mexico and saying that we were just protecting our boarder. 

edit:for the record, not trying to be combative. I may just be to naive to understand this thinking.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

How is invading Ukraine "protecting his boarders"? 

Eastern part of Ukraine would suffice. Now Putin needs to tread carefully... save face while annexing more Ukraine land. Russia knows they can't conquer all of Ukraine. Even if they did - which is almost certain not happening - there's no way to occupy without constant resistance. Forget setting up puppet governments/leaders.

Ukraine is a strategic buffer between Russia and the west (NATO).

Your Mexico example is faulty, neurosis. West of Ukraine are NATO armed forces. South of Mexico? Central America?

[pmartin]

Eastern part of Ukraine would suffice. Now Putin needs to tread carefully... save face while annexing more Ukraine land. Russia knows they can't conquer all of Ukraine. Even if they did - which is almost certain not happening - there's no way to occupy without constant resistance. Forget setting up puppet governments/leaders.

Ukraine is a strategic buffer between Russia and the west (NATO).

Your Mexico example is faulty, neurosis. West of Ukraine are NATO armed forces. South of Mexico? Central America?

I don't think that invading a country because you don't trust it's neighbors is covered in the "Why I shouldn't to go war" exemptions at the U.N.

[neurosis]

Your Mexico example is faulty, neurosis. West of Ukraine are NATO armed forces. South of Mexico? Central America?

Again I'll ask, is/was Russia in any danger of being invaded or attacked by NATO?  NATO doesn't even have the balls to stop an invasion of Ukraine.

And my point was, they don't need to invade another country to protect their own boarders.

[CNCAppsJames]

So is/was Russia ever in danger of being attacked by Ukraine or Nato? 

How is invading Ukraine "protecting his boarders"?  That would be like us invading Mexico and saying that we were just protecting our boarder. 

edit:for the record, not trying to be combative. I may just be to naive to understand this thinking.

You're asking the right questions but asking/looking from the wrong perspective IMHO.

Were WE ever in danger of The USSR attacking us from Cuba? I don't have an informed answer for that. The truth of the WHOLE situation in it's entirety, or the information I would need to see to make an informed opinion is probably still classified.

However, as we (assuming here) all know, we were literally minutes away from war. WE took The USSR parking Nuclear warheads so close to ur shores as an act of aggression/war and we were ready to get down to business. On paper it would have been a pre-emptive strike.

Russia is surrounded by sovereign countries it either invaded or annexed after WWII. Those countries WE fomented revolution in. Those countries we invited to join NATO. Those countries we armed up. Those countries we are REQUIRED by Treaty to defend.

From my seats, it looks an awful lot like we cornered him, and there's not much more dangerous a thing as a cornered thug. At least from my perrspective.

Now, let's throw in another variable, and be 100% honest here, we don't know who's running the USA right now. We all think we do, but the reality our country is in a BAD way right now. We have an incontinent geriatric at the helm, who ultimately could cause Russia some real problems. With Trump, Putin knew what he was dealing with and there was a mutual sense of we each knew what we were dealing with. Now, that's all gone.

Elections have consequences beyond grabbing pussies and mean tweets. As a nation we are in a severely compromised position. A position we allowed ourselves to be put in. A position that had we not allowed a senile, octogenarian to seek office in the first place, more than likely we would not be seeing what we are seeing go on between Russia and Ukraine.

So back to your question, geography is everything, and if you're Russia, you absolutely invade Ukraine to protect your own borders if for no other reason than for warm water ocean access. Think strategically not tactically.

[neurosis]

So back to your question, geography is everything, and if you're Russia, you absolutely invade Ukraine to protect your own borders if for no other reason than for warm water ocean access. Think strategically not tactically.

The other explanation, is that Putin is a narcissistic megalomaniac who is more concerned with the Wests influence than he is actually afraid that NATO is some kind of threat to Russia or it's boarders.

You're right that all we can do is speculate. Who knows what goes on behind the curtain. There is certainly enough propaganda to go around. 

 

[rob@fain]

I wonder if this is just another ploy by the liberals to control the narrative for the next general election.
It's in Russia's best interest to have a democrat in the white house, but they will act like the are for Trump.

More of the Russia collusion like the MSM pushed for the last general election.

[CNCAppsJames]

More of the Russia collusion like the MSM pushed for the last general election.

80 million (allegedly) suckers bought it last time. They'll buy it again. And again. And again. And again. Because they are too stupid to question what they are being fed and by whom.

[CNCAppsJames]

The other explanation, is that Putin is a narcissistic megalomaniac ...

There's always that possibility. We know he's a straight up gangster, who is not definitely not afraid to do gangster stuff.

There's a Lithuanian guy I've heard speak and he thinks Putin has just gone insane. Of course that scenario is plausible. It's every bit as plausible as our current octogenarian-in-chief needs pampers because he's an incontinent fool that has no business even being a Wall-Mart greeter let along leader of the free world.

Or he's just doing what we chose not to do during the Cuban Missile Crisis. There's always that.

Many plausible explanations. All I know for certain is 1) Death is an absolute certainty for us all and 2)We've got too many idiots in this country voting that have no clue the kind of damage we inflict on the international scene then get all indignant when it's done to us.

[pmartin]

I wonder if this is just another ploy by the liberals to control the narrative for the next general election.
It's in Russia's best interest to have a democrat in the white house, but they will act like the are for Trump.

More of the Russia collusion like the MSM pushed for the last general election.

Man you guys really do some kind of mental gymnastics trying to blame Putin's war on Democrats.

Or are you trying to say something else entirly?

[mayday]

Man you guys really do some kind of mental gymnastics trying to blame Putin's war on Democrats.

Or are you trying to say something else entirly?

What better feeble idiot than Biden to allow Putin to do what he wants.
I don't believe this would have happened if Trump was on watch. among a lot of other things

[CNCAppsJames]

Man you guys really do some kind of mental gymnastics trying to blame Putin's war on Democrats.
Or are you trying to say something else entirly?

Try to keep up man. You're giving your boys a bad name here.

"Blame" since we're looking to ultimately place responsibility lies with Putin. He pushed the "GO" button, he's responsible. However, we cannot say that and absolve ourselves for our MASSIVE part all but assuring it would happen. I'm 100% certain we stated (by name) GHWB, Clinton, GWB, Obama, AND Depends-In-Chief Bidet. Oh, and of course that agency that is FULL of turds top to bottom; the CIA.

I am confident as are many others that if Trump were in office, Putin would not have invaded Ukraine. Biden, that weak ass incontinent octogenarian in the oval office alll but assured we would have some serious world stage troubles. To think we still have two more years of it too. I've got a sick feeling China is going to take Taiwan soon. Maybe that's still a little ways off, but they may wait until we get another weak Democrat, because face facts, that's all you've got in the bullpen, and China is good at playing the long game, and if we are truly making an honest assessment of our nation, we're horrible at it. We think in news cycles. China thinks in decades.

[rob@fain]

There is something we don't know about this invasion. Comparing Russian losses to their gain, there was no real reason to invade unless it's for a distraction. There is a hidden agenda behind this.

[Incogneeto]

So is/was Russia ever in danger of being attacked by Ukraine or Nato? 

How is invading Ukraine "protecting his boarders"?  That would be like us invading Mexico and saying that we were just protecting our boarder. 

edit:for the record, not trying to be combative. I may just be to naive to understand this thinking.

Hmmmm ?? so you are saying if we got fed up with the cartels (drugs, human trafficking, and gang violence). we can not respond?? and protect ourselves? maybe we should reconsider?

As far as Russia is concerned there is an alliance of Nations committed to unifying against Russia.

Why were you buying cameras for your place?

To prevent Intrusion, Yes??

Basic terms. If I were Putin any addition to Nato from a Neighbor sharing borders, Nuclear or not is a threat.
The same threat from Russia to Cuba had all of us doing drills ducking under a desk at School.

Peace through strength may be the objective. although appearing as you have been told, as an assault.

And No not Naive ,I have the same questions. I wish I could believe the Gov. (I don't) I wish I could trust The Media.(I Don't) soo I end up making my own assumptions.....Yep ASS-umptions.

But Converse can prove insight.....Hopefully.

[neurosis]

Why were you buying cameras for your place?

To prevent Intrusion, Yes??

I put up cameras to deter thieves from stealing packages.  What I didn't do, was kill my neighbors so I didn't have to worry about it.