The COVID JAB UPDATED POLL

[CNCAppsJames]

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I've never thought of Yale as left-wing?
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ALL major universities in the US are full of left wing woke fools.

Guess everyone didn't not know that.

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[Jeff]

You don't have the right to go into work naked, or to wear a shit that says "I'm going to kill everyone in this office".

See, that's the great thing about this country, you DO have that right. And many of us will fight to the death to preserve that right.
But you also have to face the consequences of your actions if you do that.

[Smit]

That's a great thing about this country?

You can do stupid shit in any country. The consequences may vary but no country can prohibit you from doing stupid shit. 

[Here's Johnny!]

This obviously needs more study but the Chief Medical doctor is suggesting that mask wearing has caused the huge wave of children sickness in Ontario Canada. Unbelievable amount of children in the hospital with respiratory illness this fall.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/cmoh-links-viral-surge-to-negative-consequences-of-extended-mandates-rules-out-new-ones-for-now

@TylerBeer could your wife work from home to avoid being exposed to any respiratory illness?

[crazy^millman]

Great glad to hear the mortality is low, thank god for vaccines and mask mandates.

You don't have the right to go into work naked, or to wear a shit that says "I'm going to kill everyone in this office".  If the rules of the workplace stipulate that you have to wear a face covering, then you'll have to do it.

Doctors and nurses wear masks also so they don't fling droplets into mouths, open wounds etc. Same reason they wash their hands.
Do they have the right to not wash their hands? probably, but who wants that?

Forever? No - and if it was 10 years ago I wouldn't have any expectations like that - but if the world public health authorities say there's a pandemic and people should wear masks when infections are up, then I think people should wear them in the workplace around my wife, and other peoples wives, husbands etc.

And for the record I have worked in public health, it's no great conspiracy - it's a bunch of MEGA nerds who up until now toiled away un-thought of and un-thanked, and now that we actually need them, half the country wants to call them liars.  It's embarrassing. 
If we approached manufacturing like that, everything would get sent to china. Wait a second

Nope we have one of the lowest Vaccine and mask compliance rates in the Country also.

You keep confusing Rights with you and your wife's wants.

World Health came and reviewed your wife's work place and interviewed all the people she works with? they got everyone's complete medical history at her work and did extensive research into everyone they came into contact with? No they didn't again extremely sorry your wife is going through this, but rights and wants are two completely different thing. Again follow the science as someone who has had MRSA several times and been quarantined to the point my wife and kids had to suit up to be in the same room with me I do have an complete understanding how how things spread and people get infected. There is no the protocols and procedures in place to treat this like a Pandemic. There is the show of it and demanding people put a cloth on their faces stops nothing. Someone is sick and goes to your wife's work places thinking they are safe because they are wearing a cloth on their face should scare you more than people being aware she is immune comprised and doing everything they can to avoid putting her in harms way.

I am immune comprised along with our youngest daughter so I am not throwing this out here like I am not effected by people correctly following what should be the medically proven and scientifically proven process to protect others. Problem is that has not been done and it was all done as a show of force and people have taken it hook line and sinker. 

I respect you point of view and you are entitled to it and not dismissing it, but use logic to think out the process not emotion.

[CNCAppsJames]

... use logic to think out the process not emotion.

More of this.

[Jeff]

no country can prohibit you from doing stupid shit. 

You've obviously never heard of laws.

[Here's Johnny!]

For proper protection an N95 mask must be fit tested. It is quite a process (we use to get fit tested for masks at work prior to COVID).

Knowing that masks are not likely a solution more emphasis has been put on improving indoor air quality/ ventilation. In our shop we are getting 12-18 complete 100% fresh air changes per hour (our building does not recycle the air like most).

[TylerBeer]

For proper protection an N95 mask must be fit tested. It is quite a process (we use to get fit tested for masks at work prior to COVID).

Knowing that masks are not likely a solution more emphasis has been put on improving indoor air quality/ ventilation. In our shop we are getting 12-18 complete 100% fresh air changes per hour (our building does not recycle the air like most).

it still reduces particle exposure no?

and yeah #2 is good and I hope is something that sticks around into the future, who doesn't want better ventilation anyway

[TylerBeer]

Nope we have one of the lowest Vaccine and mask compliance rates in the Country also.

You keep confusing Rights with you and your wife's wants.

World Health came and reviewed your wife's work place and interviewed all the people she works with? they got everyone's complete medical history at her work and did extensive research into everyone they came into contact with? No they didn't again extremely sorry your wife is going through this, but rights and wants are two completely different thing. Again follow the science as someone who has had MRSA several times and been quarantined to the point my wife and kids had to suit up to be in the same room with me I do have an complete understanding how how things spread and people get infected. There is no the protocols and procedures in place to treat this like a Pandemic. There is the show of it and demanding people put a cloth on their faces stops nothing. Someone is sick and goes to your wife's work places thinking they are safe because they are wearing a cloth on their face should scare you more than people being aware she is immune comprised and doing everything they can to avoid putting her in harms way.

I am immune comprised along with our youngest daughter so I am not throwing this out here like I am not effected by people correctly following what should be the medically proven and scientifically proven process to protect others. Problem is that has not been done and it was all done as a show of force and people have taken it hook line and sinker. 

I respect you point of view and you are entitled to it and not dismissing it, but use logic to think out the process not emotion.

But what you're also considering it a 'right' in the workplace to wear, or not wear whatever you want.  If public health measures have dictated that protective masks reduces the spread of a disease that has caused a worldwide (not just a left wing) pandemic, to the point that work places are mandating people wear masks - sorry, that's the equipment you have to wear in your workplace. You don't have a 'right' to not wear safety glasses/shoes in areas that require them. Well you do, but you can exercise that right while being unemployed.

[TylerBeer]

This obviously needs more study but the Chief Medical doctor is suggesting that mask wearing has caused the huge wave of children sickness in Ontario Canada. Unbelievable amount of children in the hospital with respiratory illness this fall.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/cmoh-links-viral-surge-to-negative-consequences-of-extended-mandates-rules-out-new-ones-for-now

@TylerBeer could your wife work from home to avoid being exposed to any respiratory illness?

^ yeah that is an unattended consequence, not just masks but children isolating, no immunity.

She'll work from home as much as possible yeah.  I've only been as vocal about this because I know she has several co-workers that are definitely never going to wear a mask, but taking it further are dipshits enough that they would come into work "because I just have a bit of a cold, I'm over it though".

[mowens]

More of this.

Wrong place to look for logic. 

[mowens]

You've obviously never heard of laws.

Laws don't prevent actions, they only punish them. I think that was the point.

[Here's Johnny!]

it still reduces particle exposure no?

and yeah #2 is good and I hope is something that sticks around into the future, who doesn't want better ventilation anyway

To meet the rating of N95 (filtering ~95%) it has to fit (not leak). Same goes for a rubber cartridge respirator. Anyone with facial hair will never achieve a proper fit with either.

They installed a bunch of these AeraMax PRO Air Purification units in many other rooms here. You have to change the HEPA unit after about a 1 year. I see these at the dentist office as well.

Indoor air quality has always been an issue, whether it is mold or Radon gas etc. One of the researchers here is testing drywall and other building materials for "3rd hand smoke".

[crazy^millman]

But what you're also considering it a 'right' in the workplace to wear, or not wear whatever you want.  If public health measures have dictated that protective masks reduces the spread of a disease that has caused a worldwide (not just a left wing) pandemic, to the point that work places are mandating people wear masks - sorry, that's the equipment you have to wear in your workplace. You don't have a 'right' to not wear safety glasses/shoes in areas that require them. Well you do, but you can exercise that right while being unemployed.

Does her workplace demand that all employees wear a mask? What laws are put in place requiring that all employees wear them? Not a right or left issue not sure why you go in that direction. What is required by law and what is not? Many actions that were tried by the force of law have been proven unlawful and not enforceable regarding mask mandates. Draconian methods may seem like the answer and what a lot of people have been conditioned to accept as the correct way to go about things, but again what are the rights of everyone in the situation not the wants?