Trump says on Truth Social he’s been indicted in classified docs probe?

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mkd

As the HEAD of the executive branch, what Trump deems unclassified, is unclassified and he can do wtf he wants with it. End of story.
 DOJ is managing an insurrection
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All the #NeverTrumpers keep claiming that Trump has no chance of winning an election, yet the DOJ/FBI/CIA/deep state is hell bent on convicting him of something. Those two things don't jive. If he was so weak as a candidate they would let him win the primary, or if he is a valid threat in the election they would try to convict him of whatever they could.

IMO, for the American people this has absolutely nothing to do with or about Trump. This is about the Deep state (MIC) continuing to grow to absolute power. It is about freedom and our liberties.
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JParis

Quote from: mkd on June 13, 2023, 09:04 AMAs the HEAD of the executive branch, what Trump deems unclassified, is unclassified and he can do wtf he wants with it. End of story.

Well, if that's the case, I expect he will be able to prove that in court.

I suspect it's not that cut & dry but I will plead ignorance on the exactness of the process for a President to do so..

mkd

Quote from: JParis on June 13, 2023, 09:12 AMWell, if that's the case, I expect he will be able to prove that in court.

I suspect it's not that cut & dry but I will plead ignorance on the exactness of the process for a President to do so..
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Quote from: JParis on June 13, 2023, 08:32 AM"They did it too" isn't exactly a winning legal strategy....

It would be a complete miscarriage, no doubt, remember though, it doesn't absolve him of what has been alleged.
Definitely NOT a winning strategy but an absolutely gross miscarriage of justice to say the least. I say it like that because if alphabet soup can do this to someone with Trump's means...

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neurosis

What I can't figure out, is why Trump would continue to say that he is/had returned all classified documents while continuing to hide them.  Why didn't he just give everything back?

He had to know after years of being investigated, that these guys were out to get him. 

Why poke the bear when he knew he had a chance at another presidential race?
I'll go back to being a conservative, when conservatives go back to being conservative.

JParis

Quote from: Newbeeee™ on June 13, 2023, 09:36 AMWhat about Buyed-Ins garage collection? That went quiet?

As I said, "he did it too", isn't exactly a sparkling defence strategy
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neurosis

Quote from: Newbeeee™ on June 13, 2023, 09:36 AMWere they planted?
What about Buyed-Ins garage collection? That went quiet?

Long story short, no.  He knew that he had them.
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Jim at Gentex

Quote from: JParis on June 13, 2023, 09:12 AMWell, if that's the case, I expect he will be able to prove that in court.

I suspect it's not that cut & dry but I will plead ignorance on the exactness of the process for a President to do so..

The Reader's Digest version is that there is no formal legal procedure for a President to declassify any document, and that the President has broad authority to declassify any document, other than those concerning nuclear technology which are protected by statute in the Atomic Energy Act.
Those particular declassifications would need Congressional approval as well, but in all other areas the President has sole and broad discretion.

That Constitutional authority has never been challenged in court, until now.
Ultimately SCOTUS will need to make a ruling one way or the other, so we will have to wait and see.

Having said that, anyone who doesn't see this as a pure political witch-hunt just isn't paying attention.  :no:
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Quote from: Jim at Gentex on June 13, 2023, 09:48 AMThat Constitutional authority has never been challenged in court, until now.
Ultimately SCOTUS will need to make a ruling one way or the other, so we will have to wait and see.

I see little doubt that on a guilty conviction, that's really the only place that the case can go...SCOTUS will ultimately have to decide.
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Quote from: YoDoug on June 13, 2023, 09:11 AMThis is about the Deep state (MIC) continuing to grow to absolute power. It is about freedom and our liberties.

They already have it.
Turdo demonstrated this with the Canadian truckers Covid protests
They were peaceful, but noisy,,,
He declared them enemies of the state and turned off their bank accounts.
That probably didn't take an hour.. I don't think the Canadian banks even asked for a court order
they just did it


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Jim at Gentex

Quote from: JParis on June 13, 2023, 09:52 AMI see little doubt that on a guilty conviction, that's really the only place that the case can go...SCOTUS will ultimately have to decide.

Yep.
When you strip away all of the political rhetoric it really does boil down to a Constitutional principle.

Quote from: JParis on June 13, 2023, 09:40 AMAs I said, "he did it too", isn't exactly a sparkling defence strategy

Not a defense, but should SCOTUS ultimately rule that the President DOES NOT have such broad authority, previous Presidents and VP's COULD fall under scrutiny at that time.

Also, if Trump's lawyers want to assert that their client is being unfairly targeted for prosecution in violation of his right under the 14th Amendment, treatment of previous Presidents who did the same thing does become a factor.
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