Climate Experts Criticize Alarmist Rhetoric Over Summer Temperatures

[Smit]

Please, Godboi, share with us the mounds and mounds of "data" you have "studied endlessly" to make yourself an expert on weather patterns in general and warming in particular. 

Or do you just find Youtube videos that tell you what you want to hear and accept them as fact like a good Republican lemming is wont to do? 

[Tim Johnson]

You need to drink some Koolaid....

I didn't write it down but both temperatures were based on a 30 year average.

[YoDoug]

Please, Godboi, share with us the mounds and mounds of "data" you have "studied endlessly" to make yourself an expert on weather patterns in general and warming in particular. 

Or do you just find Youtube videos that tell you what you want to hear and accept them as fact like a good Republican lemming is wont to do? 

This post reminds me of this clip.

[mowens]

Ahem....

Who took the measurements??

Ahem....

Who took the measurements??

My car.

[Jeff]

I'd say that where I'm at in Michigan, we've had one of the mildest summers that I can ever recall.
Can probably count on one hand the number of days that it's been in the 90's in July, and almost every night it dips down well into the 60's.

[pmartin]

I'm in my mid 60's now an I've lived all over the states. California, Florida, Louisiana, Virginia and Vermont as a kid, and Texas, Virginia and Vermont as an adult. I don't need a news or weather report to tell me that it is hotter now than it was in the Sixties. I lived it and can remember it.

BTW it so happens that it bugs me that EVERY news report about weather related disasters is heralded as being caused or exacerbated by man made climate change. 

[RobertELee]

The measured average temps from cities today should be considered somewhat suspect for a lot of reasons.

Just placing a thermometer in the middle of a field for a year then surrounding it with asphalt the next will show "global warming". :cough::cough:airports:cough:

[beej]

I'm in my mid 60's now an I've lived all over the states. California, Florida, Louisiana, Virginia and Vermont as a kid, and Texas, Virginia and Vermont as an adult. I don't need a news or weather report to tell me that it is hotter now than it was in the Sixties. I lived it and can remember it.

BTW it so happens that it bugs me that EVERY news report about weather related disasters is heralded as being caused or exacerbated by man made climate change.

In the 60's and 70's they were talking about the impending new ice-age that was going to come if we didn't do something.

The hottest summer on record in the US is still 1936.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/heat-wave-index-usa

[pmartin]

Very clever talking about what the scientists were speculating about sixty years ago. Heck there was even a time when the leading thinkers agreed that the world was flat.

Funny thing how mankind's knowledge base keeps expanding, sometimes discarding things long thought to be true. 

[beej]

Very clever talking about what the scientists were speculating about sixty years ago. Heck there was even a time when the leading thinkers agreed that the world was flat.

Funny thing how mankind's knowledge base keeps expanding, sometimes discarding things long thought to be true. 

Didn't you just say that the temps are definitely warmer than they were 60 years ago? I was just pointing out that, there was a 25 year cooling period in that time. People who were children in the 1930's saw the cooling trend of the 1960's and 1970's became alarmed that the temps were nothing like when they were children. And they were right, because the 1930 were an anomaly. But if you were a child in the 1960's or 1970's, it's the reverse. It's definitely warmer now than it was then. That's all I was saying.

[John316]

Please, Godboi, share with us the mounds and mounds of "data" you have "studied endlessly" to make yourself an expert on weather patterns in general and warming in particular. 

Or do you just find Youtube videos that tell you what you want to hear and accept them as fact like a good Republican lemming is wont to do? 

How about you do the same.
What data have you studied extensively before choosing to follow the alarmist ideologists down the socialist death spiral?

Read the OP article and it will spell it all out for you.

[YoDoug]

I've said this before, the whole problem with the climate change debate is it has become an all or nothing proposition. You either deny any and negative effects of mankind on our world, or you pledge undying, unquestioning, fealty to the climate change gods and their hand picked "solutions", regardless of how corrupt they are. There is no place for middle ground common sense.

[Jeff]

I'm in my mid 60's now an I've lived all over the states. California, Florida, Louisiana, Virginia and Vermont as a kid, and Texas, Virginia and Vermont as an adult. I don't need a news or weather report to tell me that it is hotter now than it was in the Sixties. I lived it and can remember it.

Maybe.
But also maybe it's due to the fact that you're older now and don't deal with heat like you did when you were a kid.

I know I have a real hard time with heat ever since I had heat exhaustion back in 2008 in the USVI so I can't really compare what I felt in the 70's to today. But I do know that pre-2008 I didn't even think about the heat because it never affected me aside from sunburn.

[beej]

A perfect example of the problem surrounding climate change and climate alarmism

keep in mind that the original study was published in Nature. The same magazine that pushed covid scientists to rewrite the "covid proximal origin study" to make it from natural origins vs lab origins according to recovered emails and substack conversations.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/25/world/gulf-stream-atlantic-current-collapse-climate-scn-intl/index.html
the Headline:Gulf stream could collapse in 2025

A new study published Tuesday in the journal Nature, found that the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current – of which the Gulf Stream is a part – could collapse around the middle of the century, or even as early as 2025.

next paragraph:

Scientists uninvolved with this study told CNN the exact tipping point for the critical system is uncertain, and that measurements of the currents have so far showed little trend or change.

from Big Think:
https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/gulf-stream-collapse-amoc/
zero chance the gulf stream will collapse

This particular slice of climate catastrophism goes like this: Due to an influx of cold water from Greenland's rapidly melting ice cap, the Gulf Stream system, a conveyor belt for the warm waters that help moderate Europe's climate, could collapse as early as 2025. As a result, average temperatures across much of the continent would drop catastrophically. Additionally, there and in other parts of the world, storms would increase in frequency and intensity, and sea levels would rise significantly.

On the face of it, regional cooling sounds like a good antidote to global warming (or, to use UN Secretary-General António Guterres' recent terminological update, "global boiling"). However, a projected drop in average temperature by as much as 10°C (50°F) would turn the moderate climate of one of the world's most densely populated zones into an Arctic edgeland, where it wouldn't just be expensive to live, but difficult to survive, at least in equally large numbers.

So far, so apocalyptic. Except that these reports are conflating two different ocean currents. Specifically, "they are confusing the Gulf Stream with the AMOC, or the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation," writes Dr. Jonathan Foley, climate scientist and executive director of Project Drawdown. "[The Gulf Stream and AMOC] are not the same thing. Not at all. It's like comparing a super highway with a side street."

[pmartin]

How about me skiing? We used to have great snow in the 70's where I lived. It's so warm now that I sold my snow blower because the snow is usually too wet to blow effectively. Oh and about the heat. As a kid living in Florida I used to have to wear long sleeve flannel shirts in the summer because I would burn thru a tee-shirt. Yikes!