Hegseth confirmation

[Rstewart]

We'll never know what exactly happened here most likely. 

Lots of talk about "classified".  I've read thru most of it, and it's missing all the critical details that would classify it as Secret or higher.

The messages do however do look bad from an OPSEC perspective.  Ether way, someone deserves a real ass chewing.


 

[gcode]

Michael Waltz at some point said that he (Goldberg) potentially somehow maliciously added himself to the chat.

My first reaction is stuff like this has no business on a chat of any kind.
and
My personal opinion is that one of the people in that group has an aid that is not loyal.
I defies belief that a journalist with a history of rabid TDS like Goldberg would have been added to that chat group on purpose.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

My first reaction is stuff like this has no business on a chat of any kind.
and
My personal opinion is that one of the people in that group has an aid that is not loyal.
I defies belief that a journalist with a history of rabid TDS like Goldberg would have been added to that chat group on purpose.

You don't believe that he was purposely (or at least, non-maliciously) added to the group yet you believe in a made up construct called TDS. The mind of the Trumpster is a truly wonderous thing.

[gcode]

You don't believe that he was purposely (or at least, non-maliciously) added to the group

Why would they and a journalist to the group who had a 10 year history of writing  anti Trump articles?

[gcode]

TABC News

This article give a summation of Goldberg's coverage of Trump.
It also says he was invited to join the group, but I find this very difficult to believe.

[Smit]

TABC News

This article give a summation of Goldberg's coverage of Trump.
It also says he was invited to join the group, but I find this very difficult to believe.

You might not like it but Goldberg isn't wrong. 

If you mean he wasn't intentionally invited I'd have to agree. Those are all hard core Trump loyalists.

[neurosis]

I don't know much about Goldberg or his history with Trump, but this sounds pretty damn accurate. 

Goldberg: "He is an enemy of fact-based discourse; he is ignorant of, and indifferent to, the Constitution; he appears not to read."

[Smit]

Wow, this is a relief! 

I was so worried about Pete.

Pam "whatabout" Bondi is what she'll be called from now on. Whatabout Clinton, whatabout Biden, whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout.

She is the perfect fit for this adminstration. Loyal to a fault. And not to the country. 

Bondi Indicates Signal Chat Episode Will Not Be Criminally Investigated

Attorney General Pam Bondi signaled on Thursday that there was unlikely to be a criminal investigation into the sharing of military operation details in an unsecured text group, declaring that the specifics of when fighter jets would depart and when bombs would fall were "not classified."

Ms. Bondi, speaking at a news conference in Virginia, was asked about the public debate surrounding Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth after he sent details of a coming attack on rebels in Yemen to senior administration officials in a Signal group chat that accidentally included a magazine editor.

"It was sensitive information, not classified, and inadvertently released," Ms. Bondi said, while praising the military operation that ensued.

"What we should be talking about is, it was a very successful mission," she said, before quickly accusing Democrats from previous administrations of mishandling classified information.

"If you want to talk about classified information, talk about what was in Hillary Clinton's home," she said. "Talk about the classified documents in Joe Biden's garage, that Hunter Biden had access to."

The Justice Department opened investigations into Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Biden in those instances, but neither ultimately faced criminal charges. She did not mention the prosecution of Mr. Trump over his handling of classified documents after his first term in office — a case which was ultimately abandoned when he won a second term.

In this case, Ms. Bondi seemed to be ruling out any similar investigation to determine all the facts.

Dating back to at least the Reagan administration, the government has considered the details of "military plans, weapons, or operations" to be classified.

Under federal law, it is possible for people to be charged with crimes for mishandling national defense information that is not classified, but such prosecutions are very rare.
Editors' Picks

This month, hours before the military strikes against Houthi targets, Mr. Hegseth texted the group the plan of attack, including the time at which "the first bombs will definitely drop."

After the attack was carried out, the details of the text conversation were revealed by Jeffrey Goldberg, the editor in chief of The Atlantic, who was accidentally included in the conversation among the senior officials.

Mr. Hegseth and other senior officials have argued that the information he shared was not classified, and that it was ultimately up to his department to decide what of its information should be considered classified.

National security experts said that argument fails a test of basic common sense about the danger of letting military plans leak before an operation, and that it goes against longtime practice among military and intelligence agencies.

Democratic lawmakers sparred over the issue with Trump administration officials at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, told the House intelligence committee that "no sources, methods, locations or war plans" were shared.

In the same hearing, Representative Joaquin Castro, Democrat of Texas, scoffed at claims that the information was not classified. "You all know that's a lie," he said. "It's a lie to the country."

[Incogneeto]

Almost every single one of your posts in this thread has been a deflection/whataboutism.   I'm waiting for the "it's a witch hunt" and "signal might be defective".   

I'm telling you. That Secretary of Sycophancy is sewn up.  

It would probably cause you physical pain to acknowledge that they may have just fucked up.

Dang!!! Your Panties are really Twisted up. LOL!!

That's what happens when you shop Target and Buy the ones that Tuck.  

[beej]

She is the perfect fit for this adminstration. Loyal to a fault. And not to the country.

whataboutism has to be the dumbest new term of the 21st century.

Imagine trying to make a case to a flat earther that the world is round and every time you point out this or that, he says that's whataboutism.

what about the fact that a ship can sail all the way around the world---whataboutism! you are basically conceding that your point doesn't have enough merit to stand up to a side by side comparison.

[Del.]

What about Bob!

[Smit]

whataboutism has to be the dumbest new term of the 21st century.

Imagine trying to make a case to a flat earther that the world is round and every time you point out this or that, he says that's whataboutism.

Naw, whataboutism is real. We see it every day.

TDS is the dumbest new term of the 21st century.

[Incogneeto]

Naw, whataboutism is real. We see it every day.

TDS is the dumbest new term of the 21st century.

You're "Silly"

[Smit]

The article below will clarify why the above is whataboutism.

Please note the red text.

HTH

Excerpt:
Bondi signals probe into Signal chat is unlikely, despite a long history of similar inquiries

WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI Director Kash Patel was not part of a Signal chat in which other Trump administration national security officials discussed detailed attack plans, but that didn't spare him from being questioned by lawmakers this week about whether the nation's premier law enforcement agency would investigate.

Patel made no such commitments during the course of two days of Senate and House hearings, declining to comment on the possibility and testifying that he had not personally reviewed the text messages that were inadvertently shared with the editor-in-chief for The Atlantic who was mistakenly included on an unclassified Signal chat.

That Patel would be grilled on what the FBI might do was hardly surprising. Even as President Donald Trump insisted "it's not really an FBI thing," the reality is that the FBI and Justice Department for decades have been responsible for enforcing Espionage Act statutes governing the mishandling — whether intentional or negligent — of national defense information like the kind shared on Signal, a publicly available app that provides encrypted communications but is not approved for classified information.

The Justice Department has broad discretion to open an investigation, though Attorney General Pam Bondi, who introduced Trump at a Justice Department event this month, signaled at an unrelated news conference on Thursday that she was disinclined to do so. She repeated Trump administration talking points that the highly sensitive information in the chat was not classified, though current and former U.S. officials have said the posting of the exact launch times of aircraft and times that bombs would be released before those pilots were even in the air would have been classified.

She also quickly pivoted to two Democrats, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and former President Joe Biden, who found themselves under investigation but never charged for allegedly mishandling classified information. Indeed, the department has conducted multiple high-profile investigations in recent years, albeit with differences in underlying facts and outcomes.

[neurosis]

whataboutism has to be the dumbest new term of the 21st century.

Using whataboutism's as an argument is lazy and just proves that you don't have an argument. If you have to constantly deflect to defend your position then why bother engaging at all? And yes, it's stupid. Stupid that people resort to them constantly.  But But But.  Biden.