Alec Baldwin shoots woman on a set

[CNCAppsJames]

He does have a history of violence too, so there's that. No convictions, but it definitely is not LAST option.

Just sayin'.

[Jim at Gentex]

I haven't done much research into this case, but were they filming a scene at the time this happened or was he horsing around?

Apparently Baldwin was rehearsing a scene where he was supposed to fire the gun looking into the camera as the Cinematographer and the Director were lining up their camera angles for the scene.
It appears as though as he was rehearsing drawing the gun, he actually aimed toward the camera and pulled the trigger, and the gun fired, killing the Cinematographer and wounding the Director with the same round.

It's all still speculation, and it is an active investigation, but those seem to be the pertinent facts.

[gcode]

I think the armorer will take the fall for this
From what I've read, there are 2 kinds of blanks
Blanks that make a flash and a bang
and
inert blanks.. they look like real rounds only no powder or primer
+ they have a hole drilled in the case to make it visually obvious they are blank rounds
+ they put a BB inside so the blank rounds have a metallic rattle
They use these for full frontal shots on revolvers and shots of people loading
weapons or magazines.

the problem here is that some of the crew took that pistol out on a shooting session with live rounds.
I'm sure that is a safety violation all by itself..

these guns should never be anywhere near live rounds
If these clowns returned it with live rounds in the cylinder and the armorer didn't check ..

of course, I don't care if God himself tells me a pistol is not loaded, I'm still going to check it !!!!!

Baldwin didn't check it, and that's all on him.

[Shazam/TPP]

I wonder if there is a rule (union rule) that actors are not allowed to tamper (open cylinder, remove magazines...)
with the firearms once handed to them? Either way a promising woman's career cut short and nothing will happen
to Baldwin beside nightmares and mental issues...

[Surface]

When you're the Producer, you're on the hook.

If you're a useful liberal toady, the rules don't apply.

[CNCAppsJames]

Baldwin already has mental issues. Ever hear the message he left to his 11 year old (at the time) daughter?

I don't care if Colonel Jeff Cooper himself hands me a firearm and tells me it's unloaded.... it IS loaded until I say it's unloaded if it's in my hands.

[Jim at Gentex]

It is looking bad for the armorer.  
Her statement is that she checked the weapon before handing it off to the Assistant Director, but the thing that is unclear is how much time elapsed between her checking it and Baldwin firing it.

Media is reporting that investigators found a large box of assorted ammo on set that allegedly had a mix of blank, dummy, and live rounds in it.
If that is true, someone is in deep doo-doo.  

[Jim at Gentex]

The armorer alleges that the normal 'training' they do with the actors was very limited in this case due to time and budget restrictions, which she says she complained about before the shooting.

So yeah, there are movie scenes where the actors need to do things like load / reload weapons, and cycle the action, which requires at least some training in the basic function of the weapon in order to make their on-screen performance look realistic.

The armorer also said in her statement that the actors are ALWAYS instructed in a standard safety briefing to NEVER point a weapon directly at someone under ANY circumstances, even if they are 'shooting' another actor in a scene.  Normally they use camera angles that allow it to look very realistic, but in reality the 'shooter' on-screen is never aiming directly at the other actor.

Again, this is all speculation.
If Baldwin were supposed to shoot directly at camera for the scene, I would imagine that the safety protocols would require that camera to be static, with no operator behind it for the actual shot.  However, if as initially thought, that Baldwin was rehearsing the scene, and the Cinematographer and Director were behind the camera lining up the angle but NOT expecting him to fire, that would be a plausible explanation.

Having said all that, I still think the armorer is going to ultimately take the blame in this case.
However, being one of the producers of the film, Baldwin will most likely be found liable in any civil case that will almost certainly be filed.
He may not face any criminal charges, but it sounds to me like the production company will likely end up paying a massive settlement which may devastate him financially.

[CNCAppsJames]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=17989 time=1636024957 user_id=83]...Media is reporting that investigators found a large box of assorted ammo on set that allegedly had a mix of blank, dummy, and live rounds in it.[/quote]

That just boggles my mind. Every time I read it.

[CNCAppsJames]

   

https://www.aol.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-posts-gun-safety-161000799.html">https://www.aol.com/entertainment/alec- ... 00799.html">https://www.aol.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-posts-gun-safety-161000799.html

     

Alec Baldwin giving up Pro tips on gun safety...      

Yeah, let's ALL gather round and listen.

[DUM1]

I read....(right or wrong) that on movies, actors are NOT allowed to "tamper/check" guns. Which is the point of the armourer taking all responsibility. Because they are trained and actors are not....

And 10 bucks says she'll be hung out to dry. Lots of talk because the girl killed was going to do a Clinton expose. All very coincidental.
And I don't believe in coincidence anymore....

well that sheds a new light on it now , hmm ?

[Jim at Gentex]

And so it begins...
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rust-crew-member-files-negligence-lawsuit-over-fatal-shooting-2021-11-10/">https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rust-c ... 021-11-10/">https://www.reuters.com/world/us/rust-crew-member-files-negligence-lawsuit-over-fatal-shooting-2021-11-10/

This guy is a crew member who was there when it happened.  He is accusing Baldwin and the other producers of the film of gross negligence for violating just about every safety rule in the book. He says he is not seeking money, but to bring to light the unsafe conditions that exist on at least some movie sets in their industry.

I'm sure he will be compensated, but wait until the family of Halyna Hutchins files their wrongful death lawsuit.
That's when the big settlement numbers will be awarded against Baldwin and others.

When this is all said and done, as meh Gran used to say, he might not have a pot to piss in.  

[Jeff]

Baldwin Movie Armorer 'Being Framed' In Fatal Shooting, Lawyer Says

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[mowens]

From George Clooney:

".

"Every single time I'm handed a gun on the set — every time — they hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I'm pointing it too, I show it to the crew," Clooney said. "Every single take." Then, "You hand it back to the armor when you're done."

[Jim at Gentex]

From George Clooney:

".

"Every single time I'm handed a gun on the set — every time — they hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I'm pointing it too, I show it to the crew," Clooney said. "Every single take." Then, "You hand it back to the armor when you're done."

Those sound like sane and reasonable safety rules.
Apparently on some of these low-budget productions they cut corners on things like safety training for the actors, and this time it was fatal.

The media is reporting that there was already dissention among the film crew before the fatal shooting over things like their accommodations, and people not being paid on time, or not being paid at all.  The whole thing sounds like a low-budget shit show, and a recipe for disaster, which resulted in someone needlessly losing their life.

The armorer will probably take the brunt of the blame, but I don't see any scenario where the production company (or their insurance company) doesn't end up paying a HUGE settlement to the Hutchins family.